[Driver72]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I agree that some cars are faster than others. But do you honestly see an otherwise stock 335 running the same traps as Terry's lighter 135 with the same tune, FMIC, full catless exhaust, intakes? Both 6AT (so rule out driving skill) on the same day, same gas. So-called "Factory freaks" could have 5% more power than "normal" cars. Not 25% more power. That's what we are talking about here.

Shiv

Yes, I do actually.
Consider at the dyno day, my car on the JB3 with just 91 Octane made more power than another guys car with intake, exhaust, DP's, and PROcede v3.1
Had we ran at the strip good chance I would beat him.
I don't think it's anything against any of the mods or tune he had on his car, just that his car was a bit weak.

Over on N54 there was a guy that just dynoed his 335i and he has JB3, intake (and I think DP's) that just dynoed on 93 Octane and got 1 rwhp less than my car. Both dynojets, both on STD, both on smoothing 5.
True different dyno, different day, and it could just be a low reading dyno, but he could also have a car that's just 15 rwhp down from "normal".

I know Terry's 135i is fast, but unless Terry and Warren do some side by side runs and see, who knows.
I also know my car seems to run better on some days than others. Warren's car might have just been running fantastic that day (as it often is) and Terry's might have been a bit off.
Terry also said he was having traction issues to, so I don't know if he had to back out of the gas a bit in 1st and 2nd gear with his more powerful car.

I just know I've seen too many discrepancies now between cars to be surprised when I see .2 and .3 seconds and 2-3 mph differences in times between cars with various mods, or with even the SAME mods.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Thats what i am saying...him not showing up especially with an incentive of 750 dollars is somewhat questionable!! He could have gotten a free dyno and 750 bucks and had the chance to gloat about it instead of bickering back and forth...I see it as chickening out, especially when Shiv outright called him out!
In the East Coast he "fenced"

Well again, I'm not taking sides.
Warren is a nice chill guy.
It doesn't surprise me that he didn't want to go.
He's not confrontational in person.

Even if he was proven to be right and WON the money, he would of felt ackward and uncomfortable with the "confrontation" of the whole thing.

It's a bit of a pissing contest anyway, where one doesn't want to give in to the "demands" of the other.

But in this economy, I'll take an easy $1000 anyday if I can. :lol
I've "lost" too much money in my stocks, mutual funds and roth IRA not too.
But since I haven't sold any of them, I haven't really "lost" it, just waiting for them to rebound so I'm on the plus side again.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Well again, I'm not taking sides.
Warren is a nice chill guy.
It doesn't surprise me that he didn't want to go.
He's not confrontational in person.

Even if he was proven to be right and WON the money, he would of felt ackward and uncomfortable with the "confrontation" of the whole thing.

It's a bit of a pissing contest anyway, where one doesn't want to give in to the "demands" of the other.

Yeah but realize this, Shiv is the aggressor in this and seemed convinced of something fishy, regardless if he is confrontational or not, it about proving himself and dismissing false accusations if there are any...another thing is, who doesn't want to earn 750 bucks for less than an hours work( drive )....I mean he is calling Shiv out in retrospect by telling him to meet him at the track!! I would have loved for him to man up and showed up at the taste test...All this BS in this thread would have been resolved, but in my eyes it seems really fishy! 750 bucks is real money, I don't care what the circumstances are, if I know I am right, you bet I would have proven myself for sure...Its almost like a turtle hiding inside his shell if you ask me!! Declining 750 bucks, thats nuts

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Yeah but realize this, Shiv is the aggressor in this and seemed convinced of something fishy, regardless if he is confrontational or not, it about proving himself and dismissing false accusations if there are any...another thing is, who doesn't want to earn 750 bucks for less than an hours work( drive )....I mean he is calling Shiv out in retrospect by telling him to meet him at the track!! I would have loved for him to man up and showed up at the taste test...All this BS in this thread would have been resolved, but in my eyes it seems really fishy! 750 bucks is real money, I don't care what the circumstances are, if I know I am right, you bet I would have proven myself for sure...Its almost like a turtle hiding inside his shell if you ask me!! Declining 750 bucks, thats nuts

Haha. You boys can't be real?

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by imoksoami

Haha. You boys can't be real?

Oh I forgot, you are the rich boy! No need of money! Turning down money when you know u have nothing to hide is plain stupid in my book...I don't know in your neck of the woods, but when someone calls me out and I know I am right about something, I show up and prove myself, unlike people who cowl and hide behind computers and act tough when his word is being questioned! Its about manhood and the incentive is the money!....I guess you must take alot of verbal accusations and abuse and basically dismiss it like water under the bridge

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Oh I forgot, you are the rich boy! No need of money! Turning down money when you know u have nothing to hide is plain stupid in my book...I don't know in your neck of the woods, but when someone calls me out and I know I am right about something, I show up and prove myself, unlike people who cowl and hide behind computers and act tough when his word is being questioned! Its about manhood and the incentive is the money!....I guess you must take alot of verbal accusations and abuse and basically dismiss it like water under the bridge

I think we differ in what makes a man. No biggie, tough guy.