[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Are you talking about some sort of perpetual-motion/energy device, or do you not realize EV's charge at night where there is no solar and less wind? = carbon charging. Oh, but we are rapidly (almost exponentially) taking carbon out of the grid...

You are leaning on un-invented solutions to problems we already have, and gleefully jumping in face first anyway. Telling anyone who dissents that they are backwards thinking etc? There is nothing backwards about the problems we already have, and until the solutions are market ready, deployed, and scaled appropriately, it's just a dream. Your solutions are coming, but your problems are already here, and no one knows when the solutions arrive, but lets add to the load and let it be the power grid guys problem.


*disclaimer, I work in the energy industry, specifically the national grid. I have a bias, and an insiders view. It's getting worse faster than you think. Even the liberal Pro-EV media outlets are starting to publish that truth.

Easy now... he thinks the LCD was invented in 1888. Maybe him and Doc Brown found a Deloran...

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Are you talking about some sort of perpetual-motion/energy device, or do you not realize EV's charge at night where there is no solar and less wind? = carbon charging. Oh, but we are rapidly (almost exponentially) taking carbon out of the grid...

You are leaning on un-invented solutions to problems we already have, and gleefully jumping in face first anyway. Telling anyone who dissents that they are backwards thinking etc? There is nothing backwards about the problems we already have, and until the solutions are market ready, deployed, and scaled appropriately, it's just a dream. Your solutions are coming, but your problems are already here, and no one knows when the solutions arrive, but lets add to the load and let it be the power grid guys problem.



*disclaimer, I work in the energy industry, specifically the national grid. I have a bias, and an insiders view. It's getting worse faster than you think. Even the liberal Pro-EV media outlets are starting to publish that truth.

The whole discussion is around the future. The bans being talked about for EVs are not yet in effect and won't be until 2035 in various states in the US. You can still buy ICE cars everywhere... New car sales are a very small fraction of overall car sales in the US. So even those bans in another decade will take a long time to be a serious deal.

The "challenges" of EVs are all talking about when most people are driving EVs. We're obviously able to support the EVs that are on the road now... As they're on the road now and the world hasn't imploded...

But what I think is at play for many people who are anti-EV is there is a worry that the market might love them enough and the current hurdles may evaporate fast enough that the market voluntarily moves away from ICE before 2035. We'll see what the market does on that front.

I see an OEM like BMW selling ICE cars up until 2035. They may force you up SKU though. Just like how there are still cars available for those who are fine paying the premium for having a "gas guzzler"...

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

The whole discussion is around the future. The bans being talked about for EVs are not yet in effect and won't be until 2035 in various states in the US. You can still buy ICE cars everywhere... New car sales are a very small fraction of overall car sales in the US. So even those bans in another decade will take a long time to be a serious deal.

The "challenges" of EVs are all talking about when most people are driving EVs. We're obviously able to support the EVs that are on the road now... As they're on the road now and the world hasn't imploded...

But what I think is at play for many people who are anti-EV is there is a worry that the market might love them enough and the current hurdles may evaporate fast enough that the market voluntarily moves away from ICE before 2035. We'll see what the market does on that front.

I see an OEM like BMW selling ICE cars up until 2035. They may force you up SKU though. Just like how there are still cars available for those who are fine paying the premium for having a "gas guzzler"...

I thought you were all about looking to the future, so am I. don't fight the tide. The tide is already pulling our grid out to sea. the future looks very dark, but hey, it's the future and the future is bright. Strange paradox...

[DB_Cooper]

[Joe-BMW33]

Ah, I missed this thread and all the entertainment of passionate debate. It's like Coke vs Pepsi, Oil Change at 5k vs 10k, Red vs Blue, Global Warming vs Evolution, ….

But I personally love breaking balls of EV earth savers. I'm going to be driving my V8's still in 20 years with blue smoke spewing a cloud from my dual quad exhaust and it's going to sound better than B&W as I pass all the golf carts with iPads, formerly know as automobiles.