[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Little of what you said makes sense. But that is okay. Just be happy with your tune of choice. Keep up your nonsense and your new account is likely to get banned as well. Tread lightly.

Or better yet, go away.

Shiv

Sounds like a bunch of bad blood... Personally if you don't like the product, that's for you to choose (netvader).... I've made my choice, you've made yours... Not sure what the issue is between you and shiv, but that's your problem, not mine and I'd rather not know about it... So bak to the point of this thread...

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Army335xi

Sounds like a bunch of bad blood... Personally if you don't like the product, that's for you to choose (netvader).... I've made my choice, you've made yours... Not sure what the issue is between you and shiv, but that's your problem, not mine and I'd rather not know about it... So bak to the point of this thread...

Hard to make out exactly what he's trying to say -- something about how he likes sloppy seconds.

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Hard to make out exactly what he's trying to say -- something about how he likes sloppy seconds.

LOL... Is that what you got out of that?

[Septro]

The cricle-jerk around NetVader is funny, nonetheless the whole safety thing gets trumped every 6months of significant upgrades. With all that was written today, it makes the JB2, JB3, V2 and V3 Rev I look like the most unsafe platforms ever distributed since Vishnu wants to indict anyone not doing it the current CANBus way as a wanton disregard for safety.

I actually agree with that assertion and am glad that you focused on realtime feedback from the engine to better align the PROcede's output response. But it also makes Shiv a used-car salesman for all his previous tunes pushing the same safety mantra.

I'll wait 6 more months till the current CANbus gets superceded with another platform from Vishnu as the 'only' way to do N54 tuning right..

You still gets mad props for the work though. Go PROCede!

[lawdude]

NetVader likes sloppy seconds and Septro circle jerks.

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by lawdude

NetVader likes sloppy seconds and Septro circle jerks.

Ya know what, you are insane... but its all good... everyones insane in one way or another

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Septro

The cricle-jerk around NetVader is funny, nonetheless the whole safety thing gets trumped every 6months of significant upgrades. With all that was written today, it makes the JB2, JB3, V2 and V3 Rev I look like the most unsafe platforms ever distributed since Vishnu wants to indict anyone not doing it the current CANBus way as a wanton disregard for safety.

What is safe? What is unsafe? It's all a grey area with no absolutes. Yes, the PROcede has always been "safer" than the JB alternatives. By no reason other that it actually controlled timing. Take a look at most of the pump gas jb dyno results posted online and see how "safe" they look. Then compare them to PROcede results taken in similar conditions on the same fuel. Very noticeable difference. I don't think you have to look any further than the father's day dyno day held a few days ago either.

Now, with CANbus integration, we can take safety measures to a whole new level. And we have been doing just that. Does that mean that other "less safe" options are dangerous or that they "disregard" safety? Well, that depends on what your idea of safety is and what compromises you are prepared to make for "more power". Our goal has always been to offer as much power as we can without unnecessarily sacrificing safety margin. So that rules out the "more boost" approach. Which means that we actually had to go back to the drawing board and work for our supper. Customers ultimately win out in the end. So all is good.

I actually agree with that assertion and am glad that you focused on realtime feedback from the engine to better align the PROcede's output response. But it also makes Shiv a used-car salesman for all his previous tunes pushing the same safety mantra.

Used car salesmen don't actually push the state of the art. Instead, they usually defend what they have and sit comfortably on their laurels. I don't think this describes either myself or my company. But I've been called worse so it really doesn't bother me either way.

I'll wait 6 more months till the current CANbus gets superceded with another platform from Vishnu as the 'only' way to do N54 tuning right..

CANbus integration, AFAIK, has not been done by any piggyback before. So yes, we are the state of the art. And as with all state of the art technology, who knows what the future holds. I just want to make cars go fast. Others can argue about how we do it and if it appeals to them.

You still gets mad props for the work though. Go PROCede!

Thanks.

Cheers,
Shiv

[Slidewayz]

...is it safe yet?

[TheTwinz]

the way you are advertising the safety measures in your new CANBUS procede, you are making it sound like everything before this, even the REV 1 and older are so obsolete that they are no longer considered "safe". Even though when the JB3 JB2 Procede Rev 1 were introduced to the market, all of them claimed to be SAFE and will not do any real harmful damage except the normal regular wear and tear from running a turbo engine. So are you saying, those who don't have the CANBUS are basically screwed since we can't monitor knocking or our own oil temps?

And why is it good to monitor knocking? Isn't the whole point to try and make a tune/map that doesn't knock in the first place? Having a tune keep count of how often it knocks isn't going to help me sleep better at night, especially since it shouldn't be knocking in the first place. I'm starting to think that with all the UT adjustments and settings the Procede has to offer, some are beginning to dial their own settings that will make the car knock.. so the code clearing functionality is a must now. Are we going to forever be beta testing your maps?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by TheTwinz

the way you are advertising the safety measures in your new CANBUS procede, you are making it sound like everything before this, even the REV 1 and older are so obsolete that they are no longer considered "safe". Even though when the JB3 JB2 Procede Rev 1 were introduced to the market, all of them claimed to be SAFE and will not do any real harmful damage except the normal regular wear and tear from running a turbo engine. So are you saying, those who don't have the CANBUS are basically screwed since we can't monitor knocking or our own oil temps?

And why is it good to monitor knocking? Isn't the whole point to try and make a tune/map that doesn't knock in the first place? Having a tune keep count of how often it knocks isn't going to help me sleep better at night, especially since it shouldn't be knocking in the first place. I'm starting to think that with all the UT adjustments and settings the Procede has to offer, some are beginning to dial their own settings that will make the car knock.. so the code clearing functionality is a must now. Are we going to forever be beta testing your maps?

Your agenda is tiresome. And your understanding/interpretation of what you read is questionable. I hope its intentional (like every procede related thread you start). If not, my apologies for mocking you. I don't pick on the handicapped.

Either way, my suggestion is to make like Netvader and leave this thread peacefully.

Also, please enjoy your jb3 more so that you have less time to post in threads that have nothing to do with you.

Shiv

[Slidewayz]

Shiv,

Thanks once again for the innovations.

Please just ignore the haters.

Anyone who has anything in their head to stop a flashlight shining from one ear out thru the other ear knows there's (1) variance from car to car, (2) octane rating matters, and (3) temperature, humidity, and elevation change.

All of these mean that tunes need to be adjustable versus based upon static maps. Once you get the loop closed and have an automatically adjusting tune based upon current conditions, no one with any intelligence would choose an atavistic tune instead.

It really is this simple: static tunes aren't as good as ones that continuously adapt to changing conditions. That's why all the good modern ECUs do continuous adjustments. The OEMs aren't dummies.

[alq80]

i know i have nothing to do with this, but it sucks to see people point fingers and mock people like Shiv.. im sure it would kill them to ask a reasonable question or two that would clear the air!

Anyways, great work Shiv, and although Im tune-free (legal) the PROcede would seem really cool to have :P

[Andras]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

...is it safe yet?

[DimSumBoy]

my procede

[RxBMW]

For anyone that is in the fence thinking of which tune to get this is the ONE. Happily Vishnu tuned since 2003 (In my ex EVO). Thanks Shiv this is really a great tune. Now were is the Meth???

[vase330]

I head DR is a short boat ride away. Word is you can buy it easily on the streets of any bigger town over there. I hear you get refined shiat They don't have meth in PR?

[cstmx_ryder]

Shiv,

Two questions:

1. Is this new firmware/software going to be compatible with the Rev.I users?
2. Is there going to be a write-up of what each new features/options do(such as ignition correction/advance, etc.), and how do adjust them accordingly to maximize the HP/TQ? (For those of us who aren't too familiar with custom tuning cars.)

TIA

[RxBMW]

I have meth on my evo before so the addiction is on my head again.

[Tag]

I just got my CANbus less than a week ago and I must say... wow! I'm looking forward to the updates that are coming out soon.

Shiv,
As a noob I got a few questions I was hoping you could answer.

• Do you have a car with an n54 engine that you actually do your testing on?
• Up until now did you use BavTech or something similar to get the readings you needed to create maps?
• If we use your maps (without any user adjustments) is it safe to say we won't get any engine knocking?

Thanks

[jpsimon]

bump for download links!

[XPO186]

patiently waiting

[D.B.S]

Shiv is/was on a plane to NJ/NY, so guess we'll have to wait till later today / tomorrow for his reply...