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      03-21-2007, 02:09 PM   #67
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Mesier1111, the 335 sedan automatic is the ZF 6HP19TU (aka 6HP21). The transmissions in the coupe and sedan are the same.

As a matter of fact, all of the automatics in the 3 series for 2007 are made by ZF. (6HP19 or 6HP21 in the gas cars and 6HP26 or 6HP26TU in the diesel)
Correct for the 335i. The last I read in Bimmer was that the 328 would get a GM transmission, but this certainly may have changed.
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here's some more fuel for the fire...



an excerpt from an Edmunds review...

..."Our freshly minted 3 Series twin-turbo coupe has not only eclipsed BMW's own impressive performance figures — by a ton — it's also smoked those of the 2005 BMW M3 Competition Package, a car we called "The Best M3 Ever Sold in America." And while that admittedly turbo-deprived car had been a six-speed manual, the Arctic Metallic 2007 BMW 335i Coupe cooling in the driveway is but an automatic. Nothing about our Austrian First Drive of the car prepared us for this.

More than half fast
Consider the facts: This 2007 BMW 335i test car blazed from zero to 60 in 4.8 seconds. BMW says the new coupe mit twin-turbo engine and Steptronic six-speed autobox should make that trip in 5.5 seconds. Seven-tenths of a second quicker? That's 13-percent better than BMW's claim. Folks give aftermarket tuners wads of cash for that kind of performance bump, especially when a car starts out in the mid 5s to begin with.

Our 335i similarly scalded the quarter-mile in 13.3 seconds at 105.9 mph. For comparison, our 2005 M3 Competition Package used up 5.5 seconds getting to 60 and finished the quarter-mile in 13.7 seconds at 105.4 mph — close, but still a rearview-mirror performance. We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4, too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each"....


Keep it up boys...
lol. That's a horrible review. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and 1/4 mile in 13.7 at 105.4mph? LOL. My M3 does 0-60mph in 4.6 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.9 at 109.6mph, and it's pretty much stock.
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just a review... take it for what its worth, i wanna see some brotherhood rivalry on a qauter mile stock vs stock or maybe slightly moded m3 maybe exhuast and what not vs. 335 w/ procede...
also, read car and drivers initial 335i review, they tested at 4.9
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just a review... take it for what its worth, i wanna see some brotherhood rivalry on a qauter mile stock vs stock or maybe slightly moded m3 maybe exhuast and what not vs. 335 w/ procede...
also, read car and drivers initial 335i review, they tested at 4.9
CandD tested a MT Sedan at 4.8 seconds, 13.5@106.

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroa...35i-sedan.html
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just a review... take it for what its worth, i wanna see some brotherhood rivalry on a qauter mile stock vs stock or maybe slightly moded m3 maybe exhuast and what not vs. 335 w/ procede...
also, read car and drivers initial 335i review, they tested at 4.9
Car and Driver tested the E46 M3 at 4.7 seconds and Road & Track tested it even at 4.6 seconds.

Ahhh I don't even like talkin about .2 second differences from magazines... but its just to prove a point.

And didn't BMW NA state the 335i at 5.5 seconds? And 90% of the reviews from other Auto journalists at 5.2?
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Car and Driver tested the E46 M3 at 4.7 seconds and Road & Track tested it even at 4.6 seconds.

Ahhh I don't even like talkin about .2 second differences from magazines... but its just to prove a point.

And didn't BMW NA state the 335i at 5.5 seconds? And 90% of the reviews from other Auto journalists at 5.2?
I will say your 109.7 trap is the exception, not the norm. Either you got yourself a ringer or the CAI and wheels made a big difference. Either way I wouldn't complain. Great time/trap for a near stock E46 M3.
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just a review... take it for what its worth, i wanna see some brotherhood rivalry on a qauter mile stock vs stock or maybe slightly moded m3 maybe exhuast and what not vs. 335 w/ procede...
also, read car and drivers initial 335i review, they tested at 4.9
If your talking about a procede 335i vs a fully bolt on m3.

Its already been done.

Here.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50218
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M3tor2nr <---- Watch Out For His extremely Swayed Posts And Threads And He Lies About His Car And The Speed Of It
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M3tor2nr <---- Watch Out For His extremely Swayed Posts And Threads And He Lies About His Car And The Speed Of It
My M3 trapped 200 in the 1/8 and then the parachute came out and slowed me down. Just kidding.

Not sure of the legitimacy of his numbers, but they'd be impressive for a stock M3.
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Not sure of the legitimacy of his numbers, but they'd be impressive for a stock M3.
For sure. I wish my car was that fast

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Listen guys AA S/c M3's are only doing around 12.4~12.5 thats with 390hp at the wheels HE IS LIEING!!!!!!!!!!!!! M3's do mid 13's, and a intake hardly does shit for that car but help it breath
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M3tor2nr <---- Watch Out For His extremely Swayed Posts And Threads And He Lies About His Car And The Speed Of It
Dude grow up, even if his numbers are a little on the optimistic side, still, it is not impossible...calling someone out like this is immature



That's a vid of an M3 doing 12's with suspension and nothing else major...
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Dude grow up, even if his numbers are a little on the optimistic side, still, it is not impossible...calling someone out like this is immature



That's a vid of an M3 doing 12's with suspension and nothing else major...
Good track prep.

His trap time is kinda low for those numbers. 12.6 @ 106?

He must have pulled a 1.6 60 foot or somthing

I would expect that trap time for an evo or another awd car, but even then thats really low
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Dude grow up, even if his numbers are a little on the optimistic side, still, it is not impossible...calling someone out like this is immature



That's a vid of an M3 doing 12's with suspension and nothing else major...
How about you join E46fanatics and search his name and his OUTRAGEOUS comments he posts all the time
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How about you join E46fanatics and search his name and his OUTRAGEOUS comments he posts all the time

I left that site because of childish kids that post there all the time...


What i'm saying is, maybe if his numbers are a little too good to be true, doesn't mean they are impossible...and this is the internet, EVERYONE lies about their cars and penis size...still, some deserve the benefit of the doubt...
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Dude grow up, even if his numbers are a little on the optimistic side, still, it is not impossible...calling someone out like this is immature



That's a vid of an M3 doing 12's with suspension and nothing else major...
Lee's car had been lightend up. He had a very aggressive launch and powershifted. The key is his trap speed. Its stock speed. He gained all of his time in the first 330.

To run 109.7 (lets call it 110) will take about 30-40 more hp than to run 106. Or 100 lbs per mph. Considering Lees car is probably lighter than M3tor2nR's, you have to be making some serious power to trap 110.

Also, looking back at some of his fastest times when hit 12.40s, his car was near 3000 lbs with 4.10 gears on drag radials and trapping 109.4.

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Wow M3tor2nR you have somthing agaisnt the 335i or somthing? Seems like you just hate the car in general.

post 182 and some other previous ones.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...452615&page=10
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Wow M3tor2nR you have somthing agaisnt the 335i or somthing? Seems like you just hate the car in general.

post 182 and some other previous ones.

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...452615&page=10
That is harsh. I don't think anyone intended for the 335i to be an M3 crusher. I guess automotive media pushed the issue. They are two different cars designed with two different agendas. Both are great cars. Most 335i owners just want to maximize the potential of their car, just like a lot of guys with M3s.
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That is harsh. I don't think anyone intended for the 335i to be an M3 crusher. I guess automotive media pushed the issue. They are two different cars designed with two different agendas. Both are great cars. Most 335i owners just want to maximize the potential of their car, just like a lot of guys with M3s.
My thoughts exactly
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M3tor2nr <---- Watch Out For His extremely Swayed Posts And Threads And He Lies About His Car And The Speed Of It
stfu. Do you know me? Were you there with me when I timed my car? Why don't you come visit me in the Bay Area so I can show you?

And my comments are outrageous huh? Please do tell how it is. I'd like to challenge your intelligence.
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Car and Driver tested the E46 M3 at 4.7 seconds and Road & Track tested it even at 4.6 seconds.

Ahhh I don't even like talkin about .2 second differences from magazines... but its just to prove a point.

And didn't BMW NA state the 335i at 5.5 seconds? And 90% of the reviews from other Auto journalists at 5.2?
umm i dunno what ur talking about bro but every mag ive seen has said 4.8 for the 335 that is
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Man this is becomming into "my daddy can beat up your daddy" thread.
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