[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Krazy3281

Thank you sir, and good point with used DP's. On a side note saw the suspension set up you've been working on...looks awesome!

THX

[FastBimmerN54]

Originally Posted by Captain Shark

I dont think that's the point he was making. After all he did say if he had the money, he would take ARs over Raceland. Actually, people were bashing him for not having money.



He is also driving a 4 year old car, thats he's already dumped several grand extra into within a couple months. So maybe spending $200-$400 extra just for pipes is expensive for him at this current time. You don't know his current financial situation. No reason to insult him over something so small.

I've been on a few other forums, and have viewed this one for a while. I've seen posts on these pipes before. Ok, lets say the fitment issue is resolved as raceland have stated. Whats the difference on value simply based on material used and weld job between the $200 pipes, and $600 pipes? It's probably around maybe $100 if that. I have yet to see someone throw on the $200 set dyno their car, then immediately throw on a $600 set and dyno. If someone has results like this, then please share. But in reality, the $300 price difference is nothing for someone tracking the car for the extra hp that the more expensive set gives. But is $300 extra for a set of downpipes really worth it to someone who just goes to car meets, and occasionally street races for that little bit extra hp? Especially if they dont have tons of money to throw around. Probably not, so it's not worth arguing over and insulting each other over.

Judging by what I've seen, I'm sure someone will bash me for this post. I really dont care, it just means you really have nothing better to do.

If its too hot, get out of the kitchen. Nobody said these downpipes make more or less power what they said is fitment is hit or miss and quality is questioned. I could careless what downpipes anyone runs but dont come in here saying "you cant afford it". Its fine if you want to try them out and are willing to take the risk of poor fitment or quality but some people dont like wasting half their day ripping downpipes out to find out they dont work or even worse paying a shop several hundred to find out they need to put the car back to stock. If its worth the risk and they fit more power to all of you. Wish I had that luck and opportunity and 8 ball to read the future.

If you cant afford it then dont live pay check to paycheck modding your $45K car (even if you bought it for 20K used). Modding is not a necessity its for those individuals with discretionary income.

[Captain Shark]

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

If its too hot, get out of the kitchen. Nobody said these downpipes make more or less power what they said is fitment is hit or miss and quality is questioned. I could careless what downpipes anyone runs but dont come in here saying "you cant afford it". Its fine if you want to try them out and are willing to take the risk of poor fitment or quality but some people dont like wasting half their day ripping downpipes out to find out they dont work or even worse paying a shop several hundred to find out they need to put the car back to stock. If its worth the risk and they fit more power to all of you. Wish I had that luck and opportunity and 8 ball to read the future.

If you cant afford it then dont live pay check to paycheck modding your $45K car (even if you bought it for 20K used). Modding is not a necessity its for those individuals with discretionary income.

Then let him put them in, and maybe later down the road he will realize he should of spent more and switch.

[Captain Shark]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Right..those are URs which are even better made and seem to be wider than RL..RLs look to have a smaller ID than 2.5, never mind the inferior quality and fitment..so to answer your question to me..YES..$300 is worth it for pipes that are better made, better quality, fit and make more power..if people dont think $300 is worth that then maybe they should re-evaluate their tuning goals.

People spend hundreds on an intake for example to make similar power gains..and with quality DPs u r not only getting better HP gains but peace of mind w/ fitment and quality..

For folks like me who live in cold climates where salt corrision is an issue..how well are the RLs gonna hold up..the stock DPs are pretty much corrision proof..so to replace with ones that arent makes no sense to me.

Also I should add that its not only ARs that are a quality 3inch DP..there is Macht Schnell and Active Autowerks which are on par w the ARs

Your point about getting them used on the forums is good. I bought a lot of my stuff used off other forums in perfect condition, for several hundred less.

Let me ask you one more question. Do you think the RL will give better performance than OEM catted downpipes? I see the point you are making with $$$ = better quality. But then again, it's also like others coming in and saying why arent you running all Dinan for the same reason.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Captain Shark

Your point about getting them used on the forums is good. I bought a lot of my stuff used off other forums in perfect condition, for several hundred less.

Let me ask you one more question. Do you think the RL will give better performance than OEM catted downpipes? I see the point you are making with $$$ = better quality. But then again, it's also like others coming in and saying why arent you running all Dinan for the same reason.

Yes of course, I will concede your point there..any catless DP, including RLs will give better performance than a catted DP especially the OEM DPs.

I think I have stated very clearly why I wouldnt run RLs..in the end its everyones decision to decide whats best for them

[Captain Shark]

Originally Posted by tibra1

in the end its everyones decision to decide whats best for them

+1

[thebigragu99]

Bottom line is to the original person buying them, is that there complete garbage !! I would spend a bit more and get something higher quality !!in the end it you lay for what you get!No offfense how can you put eBay junk on a bimmer?

[Car Enthusiast]

So much fail towards the end of this thread. There have been a few people who've had fitment issues the with RL downpipes, particularly in the first batches, while the majority have had very positive experiences. If you have a problem with fitment, I've heard RL will work with you to get the problem resolved.

It makes little sense to me, unless you feel the need to justify why you spent an extra $400 on needlessly expensive DP's that have the bmw tax added to them, to bash on this brand. Granted, there are crap "ebay" brands that perform substantially worse and have horrible fitment, but these stereotypes don't apply to the RL DP's from what I've heard.

Also, get off the highhorse of criticizing people for not feeling like wasting extra money on car parts simply because they drive a "$45K" car. Most people on this forum can afford the more expensive brand but have other areas of their lives they'd rather spend their money on. That is their choice and you shouldn't look down on them, that's exactly why bmw owners are stereotyped as snobby d-bags.

[Car Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by FastBimmerN54

You talk like downpipes are so expensive yet you bought a BMW?

Coulda bought a Kia and saved yourself a few quid chap.

This response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you're such a superior bada** why didn't you purchase a Ferrari? Coulda save yourself a few mods chap.


Loser.

[thebigragu99]

In all honestly if the r.l Down pipes looked good, I would have bought them but up close there horrible looking .There the biggest piece of shit Downpipes I have seen in a while ..They remind me of the headers hanging at the junkyard with a cloths hanger where cherry bomb mufflers are welded on ford fiestas !!

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Car Enthusiast

So much fail towards the end of this thread. There have been a few people who've had fitment issues the with RL downpipes, particularly in the first batches, while the majority have had very positive experiences. If you have a problem with fitment, I've heard RL will work with you to get the problem resolved.

It makes little sense to me, unless you feel the need to justify why you spent an extra $400 on needlessly expensive DP's that have the bmw tax added to them, to bash on this brand. Granted, there are crap "ebay" brands that perform substantially worse and have horrible fitment, but these stereotypes don't apply to the RL DP's from what I've heard.

I feel you really dont know what you are talking about here..first RLs have fitment issues..period!..if they didnt they would not have an open door return policy on them so what you are stating here is just not accurate.

Unforntunately just like everything else w these cars..the aftermarket is either cheap crap or ultra high quality - high price pieces..it is what it is..buy the RLs since you "heard" everything is good w them.

[335why]

I installed my set about 2 months ago...everything went smooth. power has definitley increased!

[aj555]

Originally Posted by tibra1

RLs have fitment issues..period!..if they didnt they would not have an open door return policy on them so what you are stating here is just not accurate.

HAD fitment issues.... that was one of the main points being brought up. The only people to complain about fitment issues were people using the older version, NOT NEWER...

Their open door policy is for returning the old version for the revised version.

[aj555]

Just had them put on. There was absolutely NO FITMENT ISSUES... Took 1 1/2 hours to put on, and the guys said the overall quality was greatly improved over the old version.

[possible335i2008]

Originally Posted by aj555

Just had them put on. There was absolutely NO FITMENT ISSUES... Took 1 1/2 hours to put on, and the guys said the overall quality was greatly improved over the old version.

Thats awesome!!!! Another option for all of us to go with and hopefully
This will make the other manufacturers decrease the price gouging

[Blaizon]

I had the first batch and the fitment was spot on. Ended up trading them to a friend and he had no issues with fitment either.

[aj555]

Originally Posted by Blaizon

I had the first batch and the fitment was spot on. Ended up trading them to a friend and he had no issues with fitment either.

From what I gathered from people who actually used them it was like 1/5 were bad fitment from the old version. But people who never used them on forums turned it into 9/10 were bad.

[scott_uw]

I'm a camera enthusiast and I find the parallels in the car and camera communities hilarious.

"Why would you put raceland junk on a BMW"
=
"Why would you put a Tamron lens on a Canon 5D mkII"
or
"Why would you a shi*ty UV filter(clear piece of glass) on your L lens"

"Manual transmission is better than automatic, blahcontrolblahblah"
=
"Manual focus/prime lenses are better than autofocus/zoom lenses, blahcontrolblahblah"

The pretentiousness is overwhelming sometimes. At least it isn't as bad as audiophiles and their speaker cables.

Sure wish raceland would ship via USPS though.

[qclik]

Metal is just metal, only differences i see is the finishing, ar looks really good, i have a brand new set and the metal, weld, look and feel so good. rl chrome looks shit to me. But under the car, who is gonna see them. Bimmer is expensive but that doesnt justify the price mark up for bmw aftermarket part. Gonna order a set of rl b4 they raise the price bc of high demand

[AndreM818]

I just ordered a set today!

Most people forgot the reason for CATLESS downpipes is to remove the cat, don't matter on size and material. And the rest of the people are bored with there lives trying to show they know more than others.

/end thread

[FastBimmerN54]

I'll leave this thread for those that know it all...

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=509657

What your paying for is horribly quality and a risk. If you are ok with the risk and potential quality or lack thereof GO FOR IT.

I'm all down for a cheap DP, but I'm not spending hard earned money on a paper weight with a potential hassle. No time to BS with returning crap, return lables, RMA numbers, and dealing with customer service. If you got that time awesome.

To the guy comparing ferraris to mods..... all I have to say is WOW. you see a mod list anywhere?

[e30rus]

Originally Posted by Car Enthusiast

This response is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If you're such a superior bada** why didn't you purchase a Ferrari? Coulda save yourself a few mods chap.


Loser.

you should change your name to LOSER ENTHUSIAST!

In the dictionary under the definition loser should be your picture!

Bottom line is it doesn't matter and i dont care what car or make and model you have, if you cant afford something dont buy it....instead of sitting here like jt lake crying me a river about saving a few hundred dollars and trying to justify why cheap parts are better. after a 40 grand car and a few grand in mods...ARE YOU F**KING SERIOUS BRO!