[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by WilyB

Now might be the perfect occasion for Omar to explain why the Xede grounding is “adequate” and Shiv to explain why “it is a concern”?

Because we have been testing for a couple months without any issues and have a couple engineers who have been doing this longer than Shiv who feel it is fine.

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu

Wouldn't work for anyone else.

If you say so.

[Mikes12985]

""""SIDE NOTE""""" Hey omar, read my email . Thanks Mike.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Thanks for the kind words. I know Shiv made you all believe the Xede was his and the Procede was his but they both belong to Two different Australian Based Companies. Your english is also a bit misleading..... we did not improve upon "Shiv's version" we actually have a whole new version that actually has nothing to do with his. We have made minor changes in the piggy back implementation for your 335 and I think its safe to say this is based our better understanding of a BMW ECU and a better understanding of tuning all together and that is the truth.

We will continue to let our products speak for themselves and we will try our best not to LIE or MISLEAD anyone.

Now everyone leave your computers for a couple hours and go drive your procede or aa/xede equipped cars and enjoy them.

We ALL know that the XEDE and "Interceptor" (PROcede) are mfgr'd by 2 different Aus. companies...this has been discussed in many threads and we're NOT stupid. You're the ones who just joined E90Post.com only a short time ago. btw -- just how did Shiv mislead us? He never said he mfgr's the XEDE or the PROcede; just that he came up with the s/w maps on the XEDE and PROcede, specifically for application on the 335i. I guess AA did the same, but only after Shiv dropped the XEDE, and you guys picked it up and ran with it.

Although you should, I'm sure you guys don't really care (since you sell everywhere in the US), but you're beginning to lose even more respect from many ppl and I'm even a local who might consider buying your products and working with you on a future car. This is NOT the way to win customers over.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by sflgator

We ALL know that the XEDE and "Interceptor" (PROcede) are mfgr'd by 2 different Aus. companies...this has been discussed in many threads and we're NOT stupid. You're the ones who just joined E90Post.com only a short time ago. btw -- just how did Shiv mislead us? He never said he mfgr's the XEDE or the PROcede; just that he came up with the s/w maps on the XEDE and PROcede, specifically for application on the 335i. I guess AA did the same, but only after Shiv dropped the XEDE, and you guys picked it up and ran with it.

Although you should, I'm sure you guys don't really care (since you sell everywhere in the US), but you're beginning to lose even more respect from many ppl and I'm even a local who might consider buying your products and working with you on a future car. This is NOT the way to win customers over.

I think you're off base. Customers enjoy open communications and like to hear multiple view points before making a decision.

With regard to the Xede, according to Chip-Torque Shiv lost exclusivity on the device. Faced with the prospect of Xede competition he jumped ship and locked in a Haltech agreement. Chip-Torque was under the impression he would continue to distribute the Xede (without the exclusivity) and were surprised to find he wouldn't.

[Stein]

Tuning is not rocket science, there are countless number of people that can do it. At this point, XEDE and Procede do the exact same, so what's the point in arguing in which is better? Everyone is going to ride someone else's nuts but when it comes down to it, one product/company will come out as making the best overall product and that isn't going to have for several years. Until then it's all a bunch of hot air and wasted time on everyone's part, including the vendors, let your product speak for you.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Terry335

With regard to the Xede, according to Chip-Torque Shiv lost exclusivity on the device. Faced with the prospect of Xede competition he jumped ship and locked in a Haltech agreement. Chip-Torque was under the impression he would continue to distribute the Xede (without the exclusivity) and were surprised to find he wouldn't.

That's not how I remember it. But you do know best As for the PROcede and Xede doing they same thing. We'll, that's not exactly true. I know because i developed both of them for the 335i application. It does irk me to hear AA imply that they would have done it themselves regardless of what we did and that none of our development benefitted them one bit. True or not, it really doesn't matter. Pick the product which best suits your needs and enjoy your car. What a collossal waste of time.

Shiv

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by sflgator

We ALL know that the XEDE and "Interceptor" (PROcede) are mfgr'd by 2 different Aus. companies...this has been discussed in many threads and we're NOT stupid.

Seems like Vishnu has fooled you too with her 6 arms

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Stein

Tuning is not rocket science, there are countless number of people that can do it. At this point, XEDE and Procede do the exact same, so what's the point in arguing in which is better? Everyone is going to ride someone else's nuts but when it comes down to it, one product/company will come out as making the best overall product and that isn't going to have for several years. Until then it's all a bunch of hot air and wasted time on everyone's part, including the vendors, let your product speak for you.

With hardware differences aside (I think they are negligible at this point), they are not the same if the maps were created by different tuners with different skills, out look on tuning, and goals. Even if they were using the same platform, that doesn't mean that the product is the same. I agree with you that bashing is a waste of time, but discussing the products is not because they are certainly not the same. This is coming from the point of view of someone who has not commited to either company so there is no nut riding over here.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by SfValley335i

Seems like Vishnu has fooled you too with her 6 arms

Actually no. I was a part of the XEDE beta testers group here in S. FL and one of the first XEDE-equipped 335i's on the road. I've asked Shiv lots of questions, and he's answered them truthfully...he does know his sh!t, and he now knows the ins & outs of BMW 335i N54 engine tuning as well. I didn't solicit Shiv at the beginning to be a part of his 335i tuning project, and I would've considered AA's option had there been one...like 6 months ago! If AA had announced they were working on their 335i tuning in late '06, I along with many others would've evaluated/compared which one to get. But the fact is that AA was nowhere on the 335i tuning project when Shiv was already months into his XEDE R&D; I can recall multiple thread discussions on this same subject involving Dinan.

Shiv has always been here for all of us to answer questions and has taken our feedback to improve upon his product. His customer service has been unparalleled right from the beginning. He has not "fooled" me nor anyone else I hope. Although he is a business-owner, and "in it" to make money, it wouldn't behoove him to lie or trick is customers. I was very happy with his XEDE and I'm even happier with his PROcede. Yes, there are other XEDE boxes and other 335i tuning options (like the TT) in the marketplace now, but the Shiv and the PROcede have proven to be top-notch time and time again.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Terry335

No way, except in extreme cases (like if someone lets off, cuts a 2.6 60', etc) I can tell you the 1/4 mile time within .1th if you give me the 1/8th mile time and make/model of car.

No, those "estimation" calculators aren't that accurate.
I saw your post where you did the 1/8th mile and guesstimated that you'd of run a 13.1 had it been a 1/4 mile.
I didn't want to start an arguement, but it would of been closer to 13.3-13.4
Powerful cars can spin through most of the 1/8th mile, and not get traction until AFTER that, you can't "guess" what the 1/4 would be in those type situations.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Bah, MT vs. AT tells us nothing. I can't tell if the TT is slower because he isn't good at launches or if the lack of lowend on the TT is true. Looks pretty damn even from a roll though with the PROcede being ever so slightly faster.

Umm, not exactly.
In the first shot the TT jumped me and I spun like crazy. Once I got traction, you see I reeled him in and started to pull away.
We did like 6-8 runs from 2nd gear varying starting speed from 40-50 mph and going to 110 ish.
I pulled 2+ cars on him each time.
Plus, I had an additional 50-60 pounds in my car.
And, in the last run which was a first gear roll, I had two people in my car and TT coupe had just the driver. I had probably 130 pounds more in my sedan and I still won by 3/4 car length.

The PROcede clearly pulls on the TT at will, even with a weight handicap.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

No, those "estimation" calculators aren't that accurate.
I saw your post where you did the 1/8th mile and guesstimated that you'd of run a 13.1 had it been a 1/4 mile.
I didn't want to start an arguement, but it would of been closer to 13.3-13.4
Powerful cars can spin through most of the 1/8th mile, and not get traction until AFTER that, you can't "guess" what the 1/4 would be in those type situations.

Heh I've raced around 20 different cars in the 1/4 mile and found it to be very accurate. I'm open to you posting timeslips that show other wise though!

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

That was a really good video. Definitely shoot the procede vs xede one the same way, you could actually see what was going on which is usually pretty rare. From seeing that video, I now see why people like the turbo tuner so much for the price. With that said, I would never put one on my own car. I'm looking forward to seeing your next video.

On a side note... I would also like to see a procede vs procede or an xede vs xede video where one car is a MT (with a driver that knows how to drive ) and the other is an AT just to see if there is any difference.

Here's the original post I made after the runs. It explains more.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55354

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Although he is a business-owner, and "in it" to make money. it would also behoove him to lie or trick is customers.

Either I'm reading this wrong, or your using behoove wrong. Are you saying that it is advantagous (the meaning of behoove) to lie or trick his customers?

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

With hardware differences aside (I think they are negligible at this point), they are not the same if the maps were created by different tuners with different skills, out look on tuning, and goals. Even if they were using the same platform, that doesn't mean that the product is the same. I agree with you that bashing is a waste of time, but discussing the products is not because they are certainly not the same. This is coming from the point of view of someone who has not commited to either company so there is no nut riding over here.

Very few people here know that Shiv is not the only person that can tune cars. At the same time most of the people on the forum think Shiv created Xede and Procede. Unfortunately that isnt true.

Shiv tries/has fooled many people into purchasing his product because its far "better" than any Xede out. He claims that he has more I/O's than Xede can have, which is false based on what Chip-Torqe has said.

As of right now I think Procede and Xede are about the same. Procede will only be better once they release their other features (launch control/Speed Control etc). Until then both of these products are the same shit to me. Except one is cheaper in price and faster to get. While the other "promises" additional features which it hasnt proven itself yet.

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Either I'm reading this wrong, or your using behoove wrong. Are you saying that it is advantagous (the meaning of behoove) to lie or trick his customers?

Sorry...fixed. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Stein]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

With hardware differences aside (I think they are negligible at this point), they are not the same if the maps were created by different tuners with different skills, out look on tuning, and goals. Even if they were using the same platform, that doesn't mean that the product is the same. I agree with you that bashing is a waste of time, but discussing the products is not because they are certainly not the same. This is coming from the point of view of someone who has not commited to either company so there is no nut riding over here.

Yeah but what I was getting at is that at this point in time, they both make the same amount of power without grenading motors and the discussion of which is better can't really be found because each tuner is going to say his is the best. So until there's 3rd parties involved that know about both products well enough to make a call, nothing will get done. Until that time, this is all a waste of time.

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Here's the original post I made after the runs. It explains more.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55354

Thanks for the link. I posted in there when the post was first made, but I never checked back for the video.

[dolby]

FORD! CHEVY!


YeeHaw!

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

That's not how I remember it. But you do know best As for the PROcede and Xede doing they same thing. We'll, that's not exactly true. I know because i developed both of them for the 335i application. It does irk me to hear AA imply that they would have done it themselves regardless of what we did and that none of our development benefitted them one bit. True or not, it really doesn't matter. Pick the product which best suits your needs and enjoy your car. What a collossal waste of time.

Shiv

Just repeating what I've read from Lok. We've asked you several times for your side but its never seems to add up.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Just repeating what I've read from Lok. We've asked you several times for your side but its never seems to add up.

Then check your math.

shiv