[Terry335]

Originally Posted by midlife

1/ so are you saying that any scanning thru OBII will not work on my JB1?
or is it that you are not sure?

i am sure some of this may have been covered somewhere else, but just to keep this flow going a short answer will do (i will then search, so no flames please):

2/ for those of you guys running proceed, how do u do your data logs?
do u just plug into the OBII after your runs and you will get the "correct" info?
i have not heard that proceed data logs need "adjusting" for accurate info.
does your above statement refer to proceed also?

or is this phnenomenum (spelling) of possible inncorect scanned info more likely with a simple tunes like the JB1 or sstt, as opposed to the more sophisticated JB2 or proceed?
please clarify.

thanks

To datalog you need special software, like Auterra Dynoscan, that connects to the OBDII port. This will allow you to monitor total timing advance and IAT. To monitor boost you need a boost gauge (or the procede software if you have a procede), and to monitor air/fuel ratios you need an external wideband o2 sensor setup (LM1 or similar).

For dialing in a meth kid the OBDII software / timing advance monitoring is good enough.

[O-cha]

Where has M&M been, can't figure out which system he's using. None of the ones on the aquamist site look like the ones on the turbonetics site. Also anyone know what system schneid and bimmerman use?

[M&M]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Where has M&M been, can't figure out which system he's using. None of the ones on the aquamist site look like the ones on the turbonetics site. Also anyone know what system schneid and bimmerman use?

Yeah Aquamist aren't selling them directly. They manufacture them for Turbonetics and a few others.

[O-cha]

Really wish we could get someone to tuner for it to, could pull so much more than 14hp :/.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Really wish we could get someone to tuner for it to, could pull so much more than 14hp :/.

is that the typical gain from 50 water/50 meth?

i am at high altitude (9,000 feet). i recently beat a modified (not sure he has what, he would not tell me) e36 euorpean M3 in the 1/4 mile. he was supposed to be the fastest bmw around, and he was not happy i beat him by a car length.....

he wants to run again next month....word is he is puting nitrious in his car. any idea how much more whp he is going to get?

believe me, i am not standing still myself:
1/ just put in JB1 (i chose this lower boost tune because of altitude)
2/ getting the riss racing catless dps within weeks, and
3/ thinking of adding water/meth.

what do u think? can i take him if he adds notrious and i just add the JB1 and catless dps? or do i need the water /meth also? i am asking because setting up water / meth correctly could take some time.

thanks

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by midlife

is that the typical gain from 50 water/50 meth?

i am at high altitude (9,000 feet). i recently beat a modified (not sure he has what, he would not tell me) e36 euorpean M3 in the 1/4 mile. he was supposed to be the fastest bmw around, and he was not happy i beat him by a car length.....

he wants to run again next month....word is he is puting nitrious in his car. any idea how much more whp he is going to get?

believe me, i am not standing still myself:
1/ just put in JB1 (i chose this lower boost tune because of altitude)
2/ getting the riss racing catless dps within weeks, and
3/ thinking of adding water/meth.

what do u think? can i take him if he adds notrious and i just add the JB1 and catless dps? or do i need the water /meth also? i am asking because setting up water / meth correctly could take some time.

thanks

Take the time you need. We discussed a lot about water/meth injection already, you know it would help in your special high altitude / low octane situation. No occasional crise when working on your car .

Cheers,
Eugen

[midlife]

Originally Posted by e.n335

Take the time you need. We discussed a lot about water/meth injection already, you know it would help in your special high altitude / low octane situation. No occasional crise when working on your car .

Cheers,
Eugen

u r right, i should take my time....
but after many years of competitive sports, i would hate to get walked on by this arragont guy and his m3 LOL.

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by midlife

u r right, i should take my time....
but after many years of competitive sports, i would hate to get walked on by this arragont guy and his m3 LOL.

If you would get walked you can strike back soon .

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by midlife

is that the typical gain from 50 water/50 meth?

14hp? Hardly thats why I said I wish someone would tune for it.

[BoostedBMW]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Really wish we could get someone to tuner for it to, could pull so much more than 14hp :/.

Helix says that they have plans to tune for meth injection, but that probably won't help too much since you have a procede.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by BoostedBMW

Helix says that they have plans to tune for meth injection, but that probably won't help too much since you have a procede.

Heh, I said someone. If they do and have good results I could easily switch there's too much to take advantage of not to use it.

[Max@Logic]

Just to add, We saw a gain of 20+whp on a F/I e46 M3 on our dyno. It was a 20% meth and 80% h20. The car ended up making 442whp. We were all impressed with the results of the water/meth injection.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Max@Logic

Just to add, We saw a gain of 20+whp on a F/I e46 M3 on our dyno. It was a 20/80 Methanol and h20 mix. The car ended up making 442whp. We were all impressed with the results of the water/meth injection.

so would it be safe to say (i have no idea) that in GENERAL, a 50% water/50% meth injection only adds maximum about 10 whp on a stock car, and on a tuned car maybe a bit more, say 15 whp MAX ?

i just want a general idea about hp gains with meth, because - for me - it is not a simple bolt on mod.

thanks

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by Max@Logic

Just to add, We saw a gain of 20+whp on a F/I e46 M3 on our dyno. It was a 20/80 Methanol and h20 mix. The car ended up making 442whp. We were all impressed with the results of the water/meth injection.

And that's with hardly any meth, I want to see what our cars will do tuned lean for it with more advance.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Max@Logic

Just to add, We saw a gain of 20+whp on a F/I e46 M3 on our dyno. It was a 20/80 Methanol and h20 mix. The car ended up making 442whp. We were all impressed with the results of the water/meth injection.

forgive my ignorance, but confirm 20/80 is 20% meth NOT 80% meth.

thanks

[O-cha]

Hey M&M if I have this right you have your kit set to trigger at 10psi and gain on the same signal? Don't you want it to trigger at 10psi and gain on RPM? I mean surely you want more flow at 10psi 6krpm vs 10psi and 4krpm. Does that kit allow you to use separate signals for the threshold and gain?

[M&M]

Originally Posted by O-cha

Hey M&M if I have this right you have your kit set to trigger at 10psi and gain on the same signal? Don't you want it to trigger at 10psi and gain on RPM? I mean surely you want more flow at 10psi 6krpm vs 10psi and 4krpm. Does that kit allow you to use separate signals for the threshold and gain?

Yeah it has a gain that works with rpm. And It comes on around 8psi not 10. I was guessing 10, but I checked it since then. It's around 7.5-8psi that triggers it.

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by M&M

Yeah it has a gain that works with rpm. And It comes on around 8psi not 10. I was guessing 10, but I checked it since then. It's around 7.5-8psi that triggers it.

Ah ok, that was bothering me when I erroneously realized the other day you were running it just off boost. Now I want it even more. By the way what OBDII reader do you use?

[Max@Logic]

Originally Posted by midlife

forgive my ignorance, but confirm 20/80 is 20% meth NOT 80% meth.

thanks

It was 20% meth, 80% h20.

[midlife]

anyone can answer with a guestimate re below?:

Originally Posted by midlife

so would it be safe to say (i have no idea) that in GENERAL, a 50% water/50% meth injection only adds maximum about 20 whp on a stock car, and on a tuned car maybe a bit more, say 25 whp MAX ?

i just want a general idea about hp gains with meth, because - for me - it is not a simple bolt on mod.

thanks

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by M&M

Yeah it has a gain that works with rpm. And It comes on around 8psi not 10. I was guessing 10, but I checked it since then. It's around 7.5-8psi that triggers it.

I re-read the thread and the instructions and I can't figure it out, I only see one control signal, can you use a map signal and an rpm signal at the same time one for threshold and one for gain? From how I'm reading this there's only one input for both?

Also you said you got your kit from aquamist directly for cheaper, did you email them or what? Oh yea and which obdII scanner are you using?

[O-cha]

Originally Posted by midlife

anyone can answer with a guestimate re below?:

Where did you come up with that, its totally Dependant on the car, in extreme cases I'm sure you could get plenty more than 25hp.