[vbb]

So Shiv, are you saying you don't believe he's running just the tune like he claims? I mean, sure, you can tell more by putting the car up on a lift and looking at it from the underside, but hell, even I would be able to tell if a car was running nitrous by looking at it from the topside, and I don't know my way around an N54 half as well as you do I would guess. Or are you claiming he has some other type of upgrades that he isn't disclosing. C'mon, tell us exactly what it is that you think he's lying about.

But I do have some concern about the term "factory freak." It's not something magical... there would have to be some sort of mechanical explanation for why his car is putting out more power than other 335's. And that is something that should be examined for sure. Think about it... how could BMW make one particular car so much more powerful than so many others? Did they make a mistake somewhere? Maybe Shiv just has doubts that a car could truly be a "factory freak." We all should have those doubts.

[kentgbr]

Originally Posted by vbb

But I do have some concern about the term "factory freak." It's not something magical... there would have to be some sort of mechanical explanation for why his car is putting out more power than other 335's. And that is something that should be examined for sure. Think about it... how could BMW make one particular car so much more powerful than so many others? Did they make a mistake somewhere? Maybe Shiv just has doubts that a car could truly be a "factory freak." We all should have those doubts.

How refreshing to hear some rational thinking.

[Hit_Apex]

BMW builds cars with integrity. Shouldn't your tuner? Ban me, this whole scene is a mess.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by brusso

wow .... you wouldn't drive 1 hr for 1000 bucks on your day off or weekend ?


BALLER !!!!!!!!!!

I know I would!

[sd390r]

its really not any kind of freak at all

with that gas, the custom tune he was running, and the tires

combined with the AT and some driving skill = great results

[jtecnik]

very nice numbers...amazing

[3er858]

shiv, calling someone a liar, no matter what the context, IS a big deal to a lot of people. Even if Warren took his car down for an inspection, I'm sure shiv would think of another excuse not to openly appolgize for making unfounded accusations. Congrats to Warren for having a crazy fast car!

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I know I would!

im sorry but life isnt all about money.. i have made more than enough money over the past 6 years in real estate, and i have lost a shit load too.. I have my family to support along with getting my education done now so that at the top of my priority. But uhhh.. wait... i forgot!!!!

im sorry!!! i forgot shiv is indian... that explains everything. i keeeed i keeed

[vbb]

Originally Posted by sd390r

its really not any kind of freak at all

with that gas, the custom tune he was running, and the tires

combined with the AT and some driving skill = great results

But wasn't his car abnormally fast prior to getting a tune? I'll admit, I haven't been following this saga for as long as some of you, but I cringe a little every time I hear someone use the term factory freak, because it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Cars are machines, and machines can be explained. If one 335i is putting out more power than almost all other 335s, then we should all want to know what exactly is different to make that one so powerful.

I'm not taking away from his skill at all. I am extremely impressed at the times that he's running. And I don't automatically throw the BS flag on him like some of you... there very well may be something different about his car. But when you have someone putting out way more power and running way faster times than other people with the same mods, then we all should raise an eyebrow. BMW specifically engineered each 335i to put out roughly the same power numbers within a set margin of error. If one is far outside those parameters, then we all should wonder why.

But Shiv suggesting Warren has some sort of hidden mods is kinda ridiculous. I mean seriously, why would Warren drive all that way, expecting to see one of the leading 335i tuners in the world, and think that he can fool him by hiding some secret mods. It just doesn't make sense. It's like going to a dentist but trying to hide the fact that you haven't been flossing.

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by vbb

But wasn't his car abnormally fast prior to getting a tune? I'll admit, I haven't been following this saga for as long as some of you, but I cringe a little every time I hear someone use the term factory freak, because it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Cars are machines, and machines can be explained. If one 335i is putting out more power than almost all other 335s, then we should all want to know what exactly is different to make that one so powerful.

I'm not taking away from his skill at all. I am extremely impressed at the times that he's running. And I don't automatically throw the BS flag on him like some of you... there very well may be something different about his car. But when you have someone putting out way more power and running way faster times than other people with the same mods, then we all should raise an eyebrow. BMW specifically engineered each 335i to put out roughly the same power numbers within a set margin of error. If one is far outside those parameters, then we all should wonder why.

maybe his throttle closure doesnt close as often as our cars

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by vbb

But wasn't his car abnormally fast prior to getting a tune? I'll admit, I haven't been following this saga for as long as some of you, but I cringe a little every time I hear someone use the term factory freak, because it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Cars are machines, and machines can be explained. If one 335i is putting out more power than almost all other 335s, then we should all want to know what exactly is different to make that one so powerful.

I'm not taking away from his skill at all. I am extremely impressed at the times that he's running. And I don't automatically throw the BS flag on him like some of you... there very well may be something different about his car. But when you have someone putting out way more power and running way faster times than other people with the same mods, then we all should raise an eyebrow. BMW specifically engineered each 335i to put out roughly the same power numbers within a set margin of error. If one is far outside those parameters, then we all should wonder why.

I completely agree with you. I can believe he is running those times w/ no nitrous, but its certainly not the norm. Until I see other cars in different areas of the country running these times, I'll consider the fact that some cars react better to modding. I'm seeing auto tranny cars w the same tune and gas run very different numbers. The auto tranny takes the driver out of the equation after the car gets traction......

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by vbb

So Shiv, are you saying you don't believe he's running just the tune like he claims? I mean, sure, you can tell more by putting the car up on a lift and looking at it from the underside, but hell, even I would be able to tell if a car was running nitrous by looking at it from the topside, and I don't know my way around an N54 half as well as you do I would guess. Or are you claiming he has some other type of upgrades that he isn't disclosing. C'mon, tell us exactly what it is that you think he's lying about.

But I do have some concern about the term "factory freak." It's not something magical... there would have to be some sort of mechanical explanation for why his car is putting out more power than other 335's. And that is something that should be examined for sure. Think about it... how could BMW make one particular car so much more powerful than so many others? Did they make a mistake somewhere? Maybe Shiv just has doubts that a car could truly be a "factory freak." We all should have those doubts.

Shiv
"I know you are running a hidden dry shot"

"You are running a dry 50 shot."

"If you believe that he's doing that with a tune alone, then great. But he's not."

"I know where u hid it and it's not visible from the top with the hood open"
Who's the liar?

"I never said you ran nos in your GN. I'm just saying that you run it in your BMW."

[getInline]

Originally Posted by imoksoami

A passive way of taking away from the JB3. No biggie, anyone with 1/2 a brain will figure it out.

Exactly!, actually anyone with 1/4 of a brain would be able to figure out that you would have to run multiple tunes on the same car on the same day to attribute it to the tune. Way too many variables otherwise, but that's pretty obvious.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by vbb

So Shiv, are you saying you don't believe he's running just the tune like he claims? I mean, sure, you can tell more by putting the car up on a lift and looking at it from the underside, but hell, even I would be able to tell if a car was running nitrous by looking at it from the topside, and I don't know my way around an N54 half as well as you do I would guess. Or are you claiming he has some other type of upgrades that he isn't disclosing. C'mon, tell us exactly what it is that you think he's lying about..

Maybe we shouldn't use the term "lying" because it has a negative moral connotation which probably isn't appropriate in this context. It's not like Warren is saying "if you get these mods, I'm sure you would run these times". That would be lying. Especially if he had something to gain monetarily which he doesn't.

As for looking for looking for any type of undiclosed injection, you'd need to look at the entire induction system, most of it (IC end tanks, and plumbing) you can't see (or feel with your hand) without the removal of the splash pan and/or bumper cover. Looking at an open engine bay shows maybe 25% of the entire picture. I know where I would hide something and you'd have to do some work to find it.

But I do have some concern about the term "factory freak." It's not something magical... there would have to be some sort of mechanical explanation for why his car is putting out more power than other 335's. And that is something that should be examined for sure. Think about it... how could BMW make one particular car so much more powerful than so many others? Did they make a mistake somewhere? Maybe Shiv just has doubts that a car could truly be a "factory freak." We all should have those doubts

I agree. This "factory freak" term is something that is hard to swallow for anyone who knows anything about mass produced engines. Sure, there are tolerances can can add up to make one engine slightly stronger or weaker than the other. But we're talking a few % in either direction. Not 10-15% which is what is required to make a car run 3-4mph faster than other cars running the same mods in similar conditions. This is why I suggested a proper inspection. That's all.

Shiv

[normtrum]

Originally Posted by sd390r

its really not any kind of freak at all

with that gas, the custom tune he was running, and the tires

combined with the AT and some driving skill = great results

Wrong. He threw out some big numbers at 100% stock, hence the term "factory freak".

Originally Posted by vbb

But wasn't his car abnormally fast prior to getting a tune?

Right!

[sd390r]

Originally Posted by vbb

But wasn't his car abnormally fast prior to getting a tune? I'll admit, I haven't been following this saga for as long as some of you, but I cringe a little every time I hear someone use the term factory freak, because it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Cars are machines, and machines can be explained. If one 335i is putting out more power than almost all other 335s, then we should all want to know what exactly is different to make that one so powerful.

I'm not taking away from his skill at all. I am extremely impressed at the times that he's running. And I don't automatically throw the BS flag on him like some of you... there very well may be something different about his car. But when you have someone putting out way more power and running way faster times than other people with the same mods, then we all should raise an eyebrow. BMW specifically engineered each 335i to put out roughly the same power numbers within a set margin of error. If one is far outside those parameters, then we all should wonder why.

But Shiv suggesting Warren has some sort of hidden mods is kinda ridiculous. I mean seriously, why would Warren drive all that way, expecting to see one of the leading 335i tuners in the world, and think that he can fool him by hiding some secret mods. It just doesn't make sense. It's like going to a dentist but trying to hide the fact that you haven't been flossing.

should run a test

put a custom tuned v3 with alot of boost on warrens car and see what he runs

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by Hit_Apex

BMW builds cars with integrity. Shouldn't your tuner? Ban me, this whole scene is a mess.

Yep. It and the performance are the main reason I went with JB3- tune of the fastest 335 & 135.

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by sd390r

should run a test

put a custom tuned v3 with alot of boost on warrens car and see what he runs

I wouldn't give Shiv the satisfaction. If he was a stand up guy then sure, but...

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by imoksoami

Yep. It and the performance are the main reason I went with JB3.

dude, get ready to feel the fire... lol here, put this on quickly!

[sd390r]

lol shivs a good guy (coming from warren)

he's on here trying to run his business, were just bored/fucking around/trying to learn(which is hard these days)

who really cares to be honest? I didnt buy my jb3 after seeing some insane trap from warren

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by imoksoami

Yep. It and the performance are the main reason I went with JB3.

That's great and all. But aren't you curious as to why other cars with the same mods don't run 117+mph trap speeds? I'd think that would be more of a priority than patting yourself on the back about a decision that doesn't yield you the same performance results.

Shiv

[getInline]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

well shiv didnt beleive him and accused him of spraying. funny how when a v2 runs that number... no one says shit. real funny dont you think?

when did a v2 run that number? Just the v2??? I don't remember that.