[gonzo]

^ New guy jumping right in!

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by tiger7741

I was sure that since Eugen is disparaging the Terry Tuner for its lack of sophistication (`crap` in Schwyzerdütsch) and for its better alternatives, he would have been the first in line to extoll the virtues of a DME flash over the PROcede and other piggybacks. After all, sensor interception is clearly a band-aid tuning method, and an additional computer only adds to complexity and reduces reliability. But Eugen is a PROcede fanboy, so instead he says this:



Eugen, check your mail!

damn, nothing like jumping into the deep end of the forum pool head first. You got balls kid.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by eugen.niederreiter

Might be a language issue on my side but did you read my last post ? Not hard to understand.

Sorry but you do seem to be a Fan-Boy. It's obvious when you make statements like this: I'm not a "fanboy" of Shiv. I am a very satisfied customer of the PROcede and let you know that you can't go wrong with the product. I mean come on now, you've got a picture of a PROcede in your sig.

It depends on what you mean by "can't go wrong" also. Many folks have had limp mode issues directly related to the PROcede. Some have had issues related to questions about having installed a Piggyback at the time of warranty service/repair. Several folks have sold their PROcede because they didn't like the time it takes to install and uninstall for service visits.

Does any of this make it a bad product? Not at all, but it isn't perfect and for you to say "you can't go wrong with the product" agains points out your biased view which is why you were called (accurately IMHO) a Fan-Boy.

BTW Terry, I'm all for you selling your product but why don't you work on getting the T-Map connectors? That would certainly go further to suggest that your Tuner (I agree you should change the name by the way, TT was already taken) is in fact working in the same way as the competition.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by radgator1

Sorry but you do seem to be a Fan-Boy. It's obvious when you make statements like this: I'm not a "fanboy" of Shiv. I am a very satisfied customer of the PROcede and let you know that you can't go wrong with the product. I mean come on now, you've got a picture of a PROcede in your sig.

It depends on what you mean by "can't go wrong" also. Many folks have had limp mode issues directly related to the PROcede. Some have had issues related to questions about having installed a Piggyback at the time of warranty service/repair. Several folks have sold their PROcede because they didn't like the time it takes to install and uninstall for service visits.

Does any of this make it a bad product? Not at all, but it isn't perfect and for you to say "you can't go wrong with the product" agains points out your biased view which is why you were called (accurately IMHO) a Fan-Boy.

BTW Terry, I'm all for you selling your product but why don't you work on getting the T-Map connectors? That would certainly go further to suggest that your Tuner (I agree you should change the name by the way, TT was already taken) is in fact working in the same way as the competition.

I'm afraid if I used the tmap connectors the turbo tuner guys will accuse me of "ripping them off", this way sets my product apart a little. Actually having done it both ways I sort of prefer this method, believe it or not. It's harder for things to go wrong, and makes the install somewhat hidden.

As for name, I also agree. I'll come up with something if I reach an agreement to become a forum vendor.

PS. I'm getting closer on v2, which will need DME access anyway for the o2 sensor signals. I have control over fuel but found some unintended side effects in testing. Nothing few more resistors, diodes, and ics can't fix.

[Carlito12]

Originally Posted by ward

I put a terry tuner on my 325 and it caught fire and shot 50 feet in the air before landing on a group of small children on a fieldtrip.

got to learn to read kid... 325 doesn't have TT so stop pretending... why don't u go buy a chrome tip for ur exhaust or something...

Originally Posted by OC kid

I know what u mean...

Originally Posted by droptop335

Everybody should always be willing to take responsiblility for the decisions they make, including the decision to buy one product over another. This involves weighing all the facts available and assessing benefits vs risks. This is true if you're buying pain relievers, laundry detergent, or engine mods.

In this country, people in general always want someone else to take that responsibility for them, and then they want to be able to sue when they didn't anticipate what should have been expected (think the McDonald's coffee suit). This is utter and complete rubbish.

It's called Caveat Emptor...Buyer Beware

As long as Terry is being up front about what his unit will and won't do, what he will and won't guarantee, and what development work was done to arrive at the final product, then it's up to each consumer to decide for him/herself if the benefits outweigh the risks. If everybody does this, the market will decide if Terry knows what he's doing or not.

There are no sure things. Everything in life has a failure rate. As they say: "you pays yer money, and you takes yer chances..."

+1

Welcome to American Capitalism , Eugene !

FYI, eugene, Suing for Slandering is big here, too !

Originally Posted by tiger7741

I was sure that since Eugen is disparaging the Terry Tuner for its lack of sophistication (`crap` in Schwyzerdütsch) and for its better alternatives, he would have been the first in line to extoll the virtues of a DME flash over the PROcede and other piggybacks. After all, sensor interception is clearly a band-aid tuning method, and an additional computer only adds to complexity and reduces reliability. But Eugen is a PROcede fanboy, so instead he says this:



Eugen, check your mail!

[ward]

Originally Posted by Carlito12

got to learn to read kid... 325 doesn't have TT so stop pretending...

you've never seen under my hood have you

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by Terry335

Wow, I might need to raise the price from $65/unit to $3,065/unit to cover the legal retainers.

Or you could see if you can find a carrier who will provide liability insurance. Either way, you've got to take all business expenses into account before setting a price, unless you intend to sell below cost and make it up on volume.

[Carlito12]

Originally Posted by ward

you've never seen under my hood have you

I cant wait to hear this...

ok - what did u do to ur 184hp 325 ? For u to be making sly comments at forced induction threads, I hope u have a turbo charger...

Oh yeah, before u go buy a Proceed for ur 325, I will save ur money for u - Proceed will not do anything for ur car, neither... nor AA xede nor RD Blackbox...

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Carlito12

I cant wait to hear this...

ok - what did u do to ur 184hp 325 ? For u to be making sly comments at forced induction threads, I hope u have a turbo charger...

Oh yeah, before u go buy a Proceed for ur 325, I will save ur money for u - Proceed will not do anything for ur car, neither... nor AA xede nor RD Blackbox...

ward is known for his sarcasm... i think you fell for it hook line and sinker

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

ward is known for his sarcasm... i think you fell for it hook line and sinker

Carlito doesn't like sarcasm. He cussed me out once because of my weird sense of humor.

[Carlito12]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

ward is known for his sarcasm... i think you fell for it hook line and sinker

yeah, stupid me...

[e.n335]

Originally Posted by Carlito12

Welcome to American Capitalism , Eugene !

FYI, eugene, Suing for Slandering is big here, too !

That's ok, it's interesting to watch ...

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Carlito doesn't like sarcasm. He cussed me out once because of my weird sense of humor.

really? From what i have seen, he is a calm, collected, witty individual...

[Kbueno]

[QUOTE=Carlito12;1133928]

FYI, eugene, Suing for Slandering is big here, too !


Slandering? Seems like he's only stating the obvious and is looking out for our best interests.

Leave the Slandering to Terry...he seems to be an EXPERT at that.

[lawdude]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

really? From what i have seen, he is a calm, collected, witty individual...

Maybe I'll show you my pm box sometime.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Maybe I'll show you my pm box sometime.

no need, I already have acess to both your pm box and his.

EDIT:
just read them...
wow, your right... maybe i was wrong... he is a bit of a spaz...

[ward]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Carlito doesn't like sarcasm. He cussed me out once because of my weird sense of humor.

he also doesn't know a 325 has 215 hp