[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Just ordered a set, stay tuned for a full report coming soon to a message board near you.

Hey Terry, how about a hookup on a downpipe fix?

Take some good pics of the inside welds. If they fit and the welds look good they should work, plain and simple.

[M3SWEETNESS]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Just ordered a set, stay tuned for a full report coming soon to a message board near you.

Hey Terry, how about a hookup on a downpipe fix?

Good Luck!

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by Terrance28

Take some good pics of the inside welds. If they fit and the welds look good they should work, plain and simple.

Nikon SLR all set to go. I'll document the components first and subsequent install.

[335fourdoor]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Nikon SLR all set to go. I'll document the components first and subsequent install.

can't wait to see it.

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Nikon SLR all set to go. I'll document the components first and subsequent install.

Nice...hopefully they are good..looking forward to seeing the pics of the install

[flukey]

the fmic was such a let down, hopefully these pan out!

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by SECOND2NONE

any supporters.. sounds like some facts.... (i wouldnt know much about pipes)... if so AR

T-304 16ga. tubing can run anywhere from $10 to $18 a linear foot. 2.5" - 3"

I'm guessing there is a maximum of 6 feet in these downpipes. Assuming they are using T-304 and using the middle of the range above ($14/ft), you have $84 in tubing. $10 for O2 sensor bungs, $20 in flanges. Total materials cost of $114. I'm guessing some off shore sweat shops are welding it together for $10 a set and they are being shipped here in a container loaded with other imports with maybe $5 in real shipping cost/set. OK so, $129 a set cost? $185 revenue per set sold? 43% margin? I'd take that.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by flukey

the fmic was such a let down, hopefully these pan out!

I'll have a FMIC made that the masses can afford and will compete with all of the popular makes already being produced. Stay tuned.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by SECOND2NONE

any supporters.. sounds like some facts.... (i wouldnt know much about pipes)... if so AR

I am getting a good chuckle out of the misinformation in this thread.

[D.yi]

Originally Posted by ar design

I am getting a good chuckle out of the misinformation in this thread.

im getting a good chuckle out of a vendor that needs to comment/defend their product in every single public thread.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by ar design

I am getting a good chuckle out of the misinformation in this thread.

I'm getting a good chuckle out of your unrelenting involvement in this thread.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

I'm getting a good chuckle out of your unrelenting involvement in this thread.

Its not entirely unrelated because his brand and products are continually mentioned and scrutinized.

[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Its not entirely unrelated because his brand and products are continually mentioned and scrutinized.

Agreed, but I have yet to and will never do so.

Good point.

[Got Rice?]

Your my hero jblackwell

[MeinBMW]

Originally Posted by Got Rice?

Your my hero jblackwell

This.

[ar design]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Its not entirely unrelated because his brand and products are continually mentioned and scrutinized.

*ding ding*

Originally Posted by jblackwell

Agreed, but I have yet to and will never do so.

Good point.

Because you're the only one posting in this thread??

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by ar design

Because you're the only one posting in this thread??

Admit it, competition is a good thing for the consumer. And if these pipes ain't worth a shit, then thats bad for the consumer. Agreeable or not? Competition is good? yes?

[Jonny550]

Originally Posted by ar design

*ding ding*



Because you're the only one posting in this thread??

Wow how old are you andrew 10

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

some people are never happy

fact is that ar design dp's are used as the model for quality comparison, basically whenever anyone wants to know how good a dp is if its ms, riss, or whatever, they need to know how close the quality is to ar design.

that being said, you get what you pay for, why beat up andrew over his price but ms is only a few dollars cheaper and everyone is ok with that? if it really cost say 150 to make like you guys "think" then why is it that no one is claiming ms to be tacking the bmw tax on?

when riss oil catch cans were found to be garbage everyone begged for a better occ and didnt care about price, but here you have a vendor making the best dp for your car and everyone is bitching. its crazy

[jblackwell]

Received shipping confirmation today.

I'm in AZ, they are shipping from Nevada. I would guess the parts will be in my hands on Wednesday night when I get home from work.

[Craig@SupremePower]

Originally Posted by sexye92

some people are never happy

fact is that ar design dp's are used as the model for quality comparison, basically whenever anyone wants to know how good a dp is if its ms, riss, or whatever, they need to know how close the quality is to ar design.

that being said, you get what you pay for, why beat up andrew over his price but ms is only a few dollars cheaper and everyone is ok with that? if it really cost say 150 to make like you guys "think" then why is it that no one is claiming ms to be tacking the bmw tax on?

when riss oil catch cans were found to be garbage everyone begged for a better occ and didnt care about price, but here you have a vendor making the best dp for your car and everyone is bitching. its crazy

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by sexye92

some people are never happy

fact is that ar design dp's are used as the model for quality comparison, basically whenever anyone wants to know how good a dp is if its ms, riss, or whatever, they need to know how close the quality is to ar design.

that being said, you get what you pay for, why beat up andrew over his price but ms is only a few dollars cheaper and everyone is ok with that? if it really cost say 150 to make like you guys "think" then why is it that no one is claiming ms to be tacking the bmw tax on?

when riss oil catch cans were found to be garbage everyone begged for a better occ and didnt care about price, but here you have a vendor making the best dp for your car and everyone is bitching. its crazy

I don't think a single person is bitching about the quality of AR design's pipes. i think they are just saying they think the price could be more reasonable. And also considering the fact that **********s can sell them for $560 dollars and likely still make some kind of profit for it to be reasonable, then I can see how paying $700+ for a set may seem a little too much. We all agree its a good quality. But certain companies not necessarily ar design themselves act like they would lose money if they sold them for any less... And its simply not true. If they want to charge a premium for there work, that is there business and I have no problem with that. But we can all complain about price if we want. People complain about the price of BMW's also. I am 100% for a quality made product and support any company who is willing to go out of the way to create one. However as a consumer, I will always explore all options and thats why this thread exists. Nothing wrong with it.