[Mr. 5]

IMO, organic discs are the way to go unless you depend on going with bigger turbos or nitrous.
It's not only about the material but about the clamping force of the pressure plate as well.

Most aftermarket clutches come with a hevier duty pressure plate.
All 3 ACT clutches for the 335 use the same heavy duty pressure plate for the organic disc, 6 puck and 4 puck disc.

[dzenno]

Mr. 5, given RB turbos will be here soon what's your recommendation given what's happened and given that this is a daily driver/track hybrid, about a 95/5 split

[thread killer]

so when are we going to see manufacturers put together such a strong pressure plate, that the pedal force is retarded, and it starts wiping out thrust bearings on the crank?

i remember a guy that brought me a 4 puck clutch and pressure plate for his 69 corvette.

it was a standing bet that you couldnt go down a street with 10 stop lights and hold the clutch in at all the stop lights....lol

[dzenno]

^ LOL

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Mr. 5, given RB turbos will be here soon what's your recommendation given what's happened and given that this is a daily driver/track hybrid, about a 95/5 split

I think that the pressure plate is key and should be enough for the bigger turbos. I think it all comes down to heat and the ceramic can take more heat than the organic. But, if you know what you're doing and think about the heat issue then the organic should be fine.

Originally Posted by thread killer

so when are we going to see manufacturers put together such a strong pressure plate, that the pedal force is retarded, and it starts wiping out thrust bearings on the crank?

i remember a guy that brought me a 4 puck clutch and pressure plate for his 69 corvette.

it was a standing bet that you couldnt go down a street with 10 stop lights and hold the clutch in at all the stop lights....lol

Yah, I know what you mean, but the ACT clutch feel is really not that bad but it's surprising the first day. the first day is seems like it's much harder to push in but by the 3rd day it's normal. I think that the hydrolics help a lot with it though. Of course, the smaller puck size makes it harder to engage smoothe so that would be worse on the leg.

[dzenno]

So if my fx400 kit (PP, disk and lighrweight fly) is warrantied as it should be you're saying to stick with it but if not go with a full face organic (e.g. ACT)?

If this does end up being a PP problem as i think it is I'd be ok with putting it in again but if the ceramic pucks are too weak/inappropriate for daily driving (wear wise, i'm fine with engagement) and an organic/Kevlar full face is better I'd go with that...thoughts?

[Former_Boosted_IS]

I really think you will slip an organic clutch on if you get over 500 rwtq on your car... especially if you track your car. Just my 2 cents.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

I really think you will slip an organic clutch on if you get over 500 rwtq on your car... especially if you track your car. Just my 2 cents.

As you know that all depends on the pressure plate's clamping force in the kit. ACT has a couple of organic kits that are designed for 450-500tq

[dzenno]

Waiting to hear back from CM today..

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by tvieira24

As you know that all depends on the pressure plate's clamping force in the kit. ACT has a couple of organic kits that are designed for 450-500tq

That is not wheel torque though. In addition, if you want the PP with enough clamping load on an organic from ACT then you will have a pedal that feels like a ton of bricks.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

That is not wheel torque though. In addition, if you want the PP with enough clamping load on an organic from ACT then you will have a pedal that feels like a ton of bricks.

It really isn't that bad.

[dzenno]

Car's putting down around 460wtq right now (actually, its putting down zero at the moment )...i'm thinking organic might be better as most of the time I'm daily driving the car and don't have race gas to run over 17psi safely on the street with meth...at the strip I will want to crank it up all the way with race gas and meth and probably hit max 550wtq but I'm at the track maybe 5-6 times a year, if that, due to a crazy work schedule...if I have another ceramic give up on me this quickly it wouldn't be pretty

[thread killer]

what about southbend clutch? jordan on bimmerforums makes clutches for your application......

[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by thread killer

who said i was in a shlong swinging contest? i didnt know we had to pull out the cert cards

my shuly is from 2000, (even though ASE means shit), but auto/heavy truck master, L1, and been a 6&3 point winner a few times as well..... seriously though.......





i want you to *think* about this for a second.
lets say




what happens when you push the clutch in for the first time? OMG OHE NOES! the disc gets released and all that magic uneven torque you speak of goes down the tube
wouldnt you also see a signifigant amount of excessive wear on the area that was improperly torqued, or over/under tightned as you say? that pic showing the pressure plate shows a pretty good score mark all the way around, not just on one area, as you would suggest.

then what.

IDK why/what got your panties in a bunch there buddy. hell we prolly sat together in class.... i was the one talking about going to the tittie bar the night before, and you were probably the grouchy old guy in the corner who shook his head at me, huh

my issue is not with you (per se) -- so let get that straight..

its spouting off bad technical practices to people that have little or no knowledge of their vehicles. --

you can (for your own benefit) lay out all your certs and quals.. -- i worked with a couple of guys that acted the same way, said some of the same things i hear on this forum. and you know what? it doesnt affect me, or my performance in the least.

when you have matured to a point of fully understanding what i'm talking about, then we can sit down and actually have a technical conversation.

35yrs in the industry -- im still learning something everyday .... but i guess thats just me

[dzenno]

I've spoken to CM (Luis) just now and he was very reasonable after having received my damaged clutch for inspection...I told him I'll be running an organic clutch in the meantime and give them enough time to figure out why their CM ceramic failed prematurely. I told them even if they sent me a full replacement tonight I wouldn't put it on as I'd worry about it going out on me again the same way and that'd really make me start hating this the car due to repetitive costs involved.. He said they'll take a few days to figure it out and fix it. Honest customer service so far..they didn't jump the gun to speculate installer/user error as many other companies do once they get your money..

In the meantime I'm putting in brand new ACT street clutch thanks to u know who you are it should hold well enough for a DD with upgraded turbos at 17psi pump gas and meth and last long enough..I'll use it with my recently resurfaced DMF

[thread killer]

Originally Posted by shifterboy45

when you have matured to a point of fully understanding what i'm talking about, then we can sit down and actually have a technical conversation.

35yrs in the industry -- im still learning something everyday .... but i guess thats just me

lol'ers is all i can say. so why keep going back to it? it obviously is getting to you........
i must not be matured enough- you keep thinking your talking to a green horn....

and i also learn every day- like today

your like guys in the military. i work with one lol..... an E7!
he thinks because he has been doing it for a long time, he is the best...lol
he cant fix his way out of a paper bag.


BTW YOU were the one flang'in it around first there kiddo.... i just simply responded back... that as you, im also not a 'tard....

now, as my name implies can we get back to the task at hand, or can i do what i do best- kill threads?

[shifterboy45]

Originally Posted by thread killer

lol'ers is all i can say. so why keep going back to it? it obviously is getting to you........
i must not be matured enough- you keep thinking your talking to a green horn....

and i also learn every day- like today

your like guys in the military. i work with one lol..... an E7!
he thinks because he has been doing it for a long time, he is the best...lol
he cant fix his way out of a paper bag.


BTW YOU were the one flang'in it around first there kiddo.... i just simply responded back... that as you, im also not a 'tard....

now, as my name implies can we get back to the task at hand, or can i do what i do best- kill threads?

sorry dude, i didnt mean to accidentally press your "ego-boost" button

its clear from your subsequent comments you are learned to a point, but the greater picture eludes you by virtue of your own thought process. nothing can change that, but failure... and sonny -- i bet on those odds anyday.. cuz i used to be just like you

did the big boys bully you in school?? cuz you sure have a ax to grind and serious chip on your shoulder ... take a couple of xanax, and start to enjoy life .... and look again... i didnt start this, and if you intend to get the last word --- you can have it..

[Tiago@VRSF]

Ease up guys, you're killing dzenno's thread.

[dzenno]

thanks tvieira24

[shifterboy45]

my sincere apologies to dzenno -- didnt mean any disrespect

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by shifterboy45

my sincere apologies to dzenno -- didnt mean any disrespect

no worries man...i just don't get these arguments...no one gets/loses any money out of them so what's the point?

[shifterboy45]

ditto ---

thats why i apologized -- after a bit, sanity kicks in and you realize if its not productive -- its not pertinent ...