[**335i**]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

We all know how good HPF are , and that's why everyone was so excited about this exhaust but it's OVERPRICED, just because they're nice guys with good customer care no one will pay 2k for straight pipes. Price it reasonably and people will jump all over this.

+1

[AMERICUS]

So why do you have AR downpipes? Weren't those the old "overpriced tubes"? The fact stands I don't care how "nice" a company is, but I will pay extra for the piece* of mind that if it breaks, I won't be SOL and forced to shell out more money for the same product again--in regards to more critical items.

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

We all know how good HPF are , and that's why everyone was so excited about this exhaust but it's OVERPRICED, just because they're nice guys with good customer care no one will pay 2k for straight pipes. Price it reasonably and people will jump all over this.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by AMERICUS

So why do you have AR downpipes? Weren't those the old "overpriced tubes"? The fact stands I don't care how "nice" a company is, but I will pay extra for the piece* of mind that if it breaks, I won't be SOL and forced to shell out more money for the same product again--in regards to more critical items.

At least he doesn't have SuperSprint downpipes

[Iwantm3]

Originally Posted by AMERICUS

So why do you have AR downpipes? Weren't those the old "overpriced tubes"? The fact stands I don't care how "nice" a company is, but I will pay extra for the piece* of mind that if it breaks, I won't be SOL and forced to shell out more money for the same product again--in regards to more critical items.

They were the only 3 dp's at the moment

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by themyst

At least he doesn't have SuperSprint downpipes

+1 I dont think anyone has SS downpipes

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

We all know how good HPF are , and that's why everyone was so excited about this exhaust but it's OVERPRICED, just because they're nice guys with good customer care no one will pay 2k for straight pipes. Price it reasonably and people will jump all over this.

Dude, my AA exhaust is 2k new. No one complains about that, they just look for another exhaust. Honestly, unless you want to buy the kit down the road, this might not be for you. HPF has very stringent guidelines when making a product. They make all of thier pieces so it all work together in great symmetry. Reliabilty and durability are some of their main concerns while custom fabricating a product. No one is twisting anyone's arm. If you want the best, you gotta pay for it

Originally Posted by AMERICUS

This forum is really funny. Everyone wants the world when it comes to the product, but only want to pay pennies. It has been hit on a number of times, but HPF puts out some of the best quality products, provides THE BEST customer service (check on he other BMW forum, they just replaced one of their turbos, no charge after 80k+ miles), is completely transparent with their operations (videos upon videos released to the consumers), contributes more R&D dollars to the BMW community than most other companies combined and does not foreign source like most others (means more jobs and money in the struggling US economy).

With that, you have to pay to play. BrianMN covered the basics of econ 101 for you, but HPF has always positioned themselves in the niche market. There is an exclusivity to being a HPF owner that goes along with the aforementioned benefits of owning HPF products. Now this is just an exhaust, but having the piece of mind that if my turbo blows, even after 80k+ miles, that it will be covered in full...wow, how do you put a price on that?! Try asking competitors to cover that cost, you may be lucky if it happens in the first 30 days to get a discount / refund.

Great work HPF, can't wait to see what the future brings for the single.

Thank you, someone who understands thatn you are not only buying a product with HPF. Service is a HUGE part of this purchase! All of you have been asking how to make 500whp on pump...well here is the beggining of it right here. I came to a realization last night, why am I gonna dump 25k into my car(already have roughly 10k in it, so another 15k. Yes those are my estimates, I can show anyone the breakdown if they would like) and have no one back it and make 500whp with meth and running the piss out of the upgraded twins?? Im not, im worried about reliability and longevity of the car. I will be keeping this car for a number of years to come. HPF will back their product 100%. Upgarded twins and meth will only get you but so far. I am going to wait and save up for the "mac daddy" kit...HPF stage (x). Im finally going balls out on my car, the satifaction will be SO much greater IMO. To each his own.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Iwantm3

They were the only 3 dp's at the moment

AR, MS, RR, SS, UR, Agency Power, plm...just to name a few. LOL more than 3 my friend

[shockin330i]

Originally Posted by Penn999

Dude, my AA exhaust is 2k new. No one complains about that, they just look for another exhaust. Honestly, unless you want to buy the kit down the road, this might not be for you. HPF has very stringent guidelines when making a product. They make all of thier pieces so it all work together in great symmetry. Reliabilty and durability are some of their main concerns while custom fabricating a product. No one is twisting anyone's arm. If you want the best, you gotta pay for it



Thank you, someone who understands thatn you are not only buying a product with HPF. Service is a HUGE part of this purchase! All of you have been asking how to make 500whp on pump...well here is the beggining of it right here. I came to a realization last night, why am I gonna dump 25k into my car(already have roughly 10k in it, so another 15k. Yes those are my estimates, I can show anyone the breakdown if they would like) and have no one back it and make 500whp with meth and running the piss out of the upgraded twins?? Im not, im worried about reliability and longevity of the car. I will be keeping this car for a number of years to come. HPF will back their product 100%. Upgarded twins and meth will only get you but so far. I am going to wait and save up for the "mac daddy" kit...HPF stage (x). Im finally going balls out on my car, the satifaction will be SO much greater IMO. To each his own.

So you're willing to pay 2k for peace of mind for a muffler? lol. I can see paying for peace of mind on a turbo, or actual components that are per se "moving." But I don't think most of us need "peace of mind" when it comes to a pipe.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by shockin330i

So you're willing to pay 2k for peace of mind for a muffler? lol. I can see paying for peace of mind on a turbo, or actual components that are per se "moving." But I don't think most of us need "peace of mind" when it comes to a pipe.

You need it when thats what they require for one of thier "staged" kits. No, im not worried about reliability of the exhaust at all. I do think the rubber gromets will subside any vibration that is produced with the engine tho, which I think is really nice, especially when driving some distance. The sound will be AMAZING with no mufflers and the single fat straight pipe.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Penn999

You need it when thats what they require for one of thier "staged" kits. No, im not worried about reliability of the exhaust at all. I do think the rubber gromets will subside any vibration that is produced with the engine tho, which I think is really nice, especially when driving some distance. The sound will be AMAZING with no mufflers and the single fat straight pipe.

If you need it, you might as well get it now. And I want to her a end user review!

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

If you need it, you might as well get it now. And I want to her a end user review!

I will be calling them today and make sure that im on top of the list(which i should be if kirk still works there). I will hold my exhaust for u until I hear otherwise. I will do a review.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Penn999

I will be calling them today and make sure that im on top of the list(which i should be if kirk still works there). I will hold my exhaust for u until I hear otherwise. I will do a review.

For the most part you seem to have a head on your shoulders, but when it comes to hpf it appears that you like to get bent over with no lube, slapped around, and told to go stand in the corner.

[techlogik]

I can get a local shop to make this exact exhaust for $1500. All welded setup, not bent, which is more labor intensive and requires a great deal of skill. No drone either.

That is a custom 1 off...not a mass production model that is shiny with the silly titanium tips.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by Clap135

For the most part you seem to have a head on your shoulders, but when it comes to hpf it appears that you like to get bent over with no lube, slapped around, and told to go stand in the corner.

LOL, it comes a time when you want to try a piece of heaven, this is my heaven. No matter the cost. I would love to be part of the tip top. I do agree, 2k is steep, but since Im not going to "de-mod" this car and keep it until im tired of it(which if i do this, it will be a LONG time) its worth it. I will take you for a ride next year lol.

EDIT: and coming from you, this is a huge compliment. Mr. critic is finally giving some praise, thank you...honestly

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by techlogik

I can get a local shop to make this exact exhaust for $1500. All welded setup, not bent, which is more labor intensive and requires a great deal of skill. No drone either.

That is a custom 1 off...not a mass production model that is shiny with the silly titanium tips.

This is custom as well, this is custom for a very limited market. They are bringing down the wait time of custom fab. and backing it for 3 years(ON ALL OF THEIR PARTS) Find me another company that will do this...

[techlogik]

Originally Posted by Penn999

This is custom as well, this is custom for a very limited market. They are bringing down the wait time of custom fab. and backing it for 3 years(ON ALL OF THEIR PARTS)

haha...ok, yeah, real custom. Every part has to be custom fabbed/mocked up for the car before being put into production. But they are going to run a more assembly line, read, economies of scale, operation which will lower their cost. Next, they are using bent mandrel plumbing. Which is common and fine, no problems. I'm talking about a local skilled fabricator who welds and does for a living making a one off for the E92 coupe and all for $500 less than this. This equals more labor intensive, more time consuming, and quality skilled fabricator work being performed. The $2K price is typical HPF marketing strategy for cost/pricing. Nothing new for them.

I'm not saying the HPF isn't quality stuff, won't perform well and they won't stand behind it. Because I'm sure it is, and they will.

My local guy will stand behind his work too. He can make it shiny also if the customer wants.

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by techlogik

haha...ok, yeah, real custom. Every part has to be custom fabbed/mocked up for the car before being put into production. But they are going to run a more assembly line, read, economies of scale, operation which will lower their cost. Next, they are using bent mandrel plumbing. Which is common and fine, no problems. I'm talking about a local skilled fabricator who welds and does for a living making a one off for the E92 coupe and all for $500 less than this. This equals more labor intensive, more time consuming, and quality skilled fabricator work being performed. The $2K price is typical HPF marketing strategy for cost/pricing. Nothing new for them.

I'm not saying the HPF isn't quality stuff, won't perform well and they won't stand behind it. Because I'm sure it is, and they will.

My local guy will stand behind his work too. He can make it shiny also if the customer wants.

First of all, I majored in Economics and Commerece(business management) from Hampden-Sydney, I know all about econ my friend, dont try and play that game with me. I know what the hell economies of scale are. HPF takes the headache out of custom fab. work. They do it all for you! Thats included in the cost. HPF buys/hires the best custom fab. guys to come work for/with them, ask you guy at your local shop if HPF offered him a job would he turn it down....no, i have a feeling he would lean toward HELL YEAH.

[dzenno]

No such thing as no drone...

[BrianMN]

Originally Posted by Penn999

First of all, I majored in Economics and Commerece(business management) from Hampden-Sydney, I know all about econ my friend, dont try and play that game with me. I know what the hell economies of scale are. HPF takes the headache out of custom fab. work. They do it all for you! Thats included in the cost. HPF buys/hires the best custom fab. guys to come work for/with them, ask you guy at your local shop if HPF offered him a job would he turn it down....i have a feeling he would lean toward HELL YEAH.

Obviously HPF (and you) are't using the market research skills you learned at college, Econ 101 primarily. They/you are thinking this is a much smaller market than it really is, and pricing accordingly. There are hundreds and maybe thousands wanting to spend $1000-1300 on a quality exhaust...but only a few willing to spend $2k. If they have to keep the price up that high to keep that 'image', then that makes perfect sense and I can respect that.

However, by saying the HPF is that much better than others quality wise and customer support wise, everyone knows that's a bogus claim. Yes it is top quality, but every exhaust out there in the $1300 range has perfect welds, top quality SS and best fabrication. Bottom line: The 'quality' of the HPF exhaust is NOT better than other top systems. Two shops and two fabricators can make identical parts of identical quality.

[**335i**]

guys please stop this its going to nowhere

[McMuffin]

Nice exhaust!

Now start making some internals for us, NOW!!!

[Penn999]

Originally Posted by BrianMN

Obviously HPF (and you) are't using the market research skills you learned at college, Econ 101 primarily. They/you are thinking this is a much smaller market than it really is, and pricing accordingly. There are hundreds and maybe thousands wanting to spend $1000-1300 on a quality exhaust...but only a few willing to spend $2k. If they have to keep the price up that high to keep that 'image', then that makes perfect sense and I can respect that.

However, by saying the HPF is that much better than others quality wise and customer support wise, everyone knows that's a bogus claim. Yes it is top quality, but every exhaust out there in the $1300 range has perfect welds, top quality SS and best fabrication. Bottom line: The 'quality' of the HPF exhaust is NOT better than other top systems. Two shops and two fabricators can make identical parts of identical quality.

Line it up for me! Im trying to drop another 10-15k. I want it to produce 500whp(stage 1-2) on pump, I want a 3 year warranty, I want to be able to upgrade stages and have the parts available to do so AT ANYTIME, no wait. I want them to already have cars in the high 5's, low 6's for 60-130 times with PROVEN success and reliablity. HPF is the top of the top. Show me otherwise. This is a considerably smaller market than you would imagine, HPF is in no way claiming to have the best exhaust, one of the best, yes. It is a requirement to wear the HPF badge, yes you are right there. Which I would say again, A VERY small market. Gains per product need to be higher because they arent pumping out kits left and right. They dont want that honestly, i can see why. As i said b4, its not for everyone, but hey when you see a HPF symbol/badge on a bmw, I wouldnt even waste your time. Might as well just get outta the way.