[SIKH335]

I can't believe how everyone asked for a single turbo upgrade and Vishnu FFtec provide that turbo and every one on ******* (JB**********) are all pissed. People you asked for it don't be butt hurt that Shiv brought this to the N54. Don't be mad just help move forward.

[scott_uw]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

We've been through many aftermarket suspension upgrades (full m3 link conversion, shocks, springs, sways, bushings, etc,.) and the balance of the car still isn't right once the throttle pedal goes down. The front end lifts up so much that the car just wants to understeer and then snap into oversteer.

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Originally Posted by SIKH335

I can't believe how everyone asked for a single turbo upgrade and Vishnu FFtec provide that turbo and every one on ******* (JB**********) are all pissed. People you asked for it don't be butt hurt that Shiv brought this to the N54. Don't be mad just help move forward.

Because you're totally not biased or anything. **~!LoL!~**

Also: 90% of FBO cars have full suspension upgrades.. in e90post vendor heaven.

[SIKH335]

Originally Posted by scott_uw

Saved for posterity.

Because you're totally not biased or anything. **~!LoL!~**

Also: 90% of FBO cars have full suspension upgrades.. in e90post vendor heaven.

I'm biased because I think that any car FBO and tune up needs Suspension work. And if you don't think so your dreaming. Give it a rest. If 90% of FBO's do not have any suspension work ie springs, dampers, coil overs then they are nuts also. But from what I see stiffer springs and dampers is as normal to have as a tune. Also don't put words in my mouth "full" was not mentioned anywhere.

[pits200]

You little bit#hes who are complaining about what shiv said in regard to the suspension need to put on your big boy pants and use some damn common sense. Reading this thread is frustrating. He is selling a power upgrade and if people are too stupid to realize the neccessary suspension parts to go along with the single turbo well maybe you shouldn't be part of the conversation.

Look how many old muscle cars make good power with boatlike suspension. You need to know the limits once you start getting into big power and can hurt yourself. I can see some people saying, "oh shiv said I could use summer tires in the winter". He is selling power, do some research and if I were him I'd stop giving opinions on anything suspension related cuz all you vultures do is go after the petty things.

End rant sorry

[nafoo]

Originally Posted by pits200

You little bit#hes who are complaining about what shiv said in regard to the suspension need to put on your big boy pants and use some damn common sense. Reading this thread is frustrating. He is selling a power upgrade and if people are too stupid to realize the neccessary suspension parts to go along with the single turbo well maybe you shouldn't be part of the conversation.

Look how many old muscle cars make good power with boatlike suspension. You need to know the limits once you start getting into big power and can hurt yourself. I can see some people saying, "oh shiv said I could use summer tires in the winter". He is selling power, do some research and if I were him I'd stop giving opinions on anything suspension related cuz all you vultures do is go after the petty things.

End rant sorry

Why read the thread if it pisses you off?

This argument seems informative to those who don't realize what's all needed to run this amount of power properly.

GLWSs!

[Dr_Dirt]

Are there any pics of the trunk mounted meth installation?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Dr_Dirt

Are there any pics of the trunk mounted meth installation?

Sure. I can post them up later today.

[TwinTurboXI]

Originally Posted by pits200

You little bit#hes who are complaining about what shiv said in regard to the suspension need to put on your big boy pants and use some damn common sense. Reading this thread is frustrating. He is selling a power upgrade and if people are too stupid to realize the neccessary suspension parts to go along with the single turbo well maybe you shouldn't be part of the conversation.

Look how many old muscle cars make good power with boatlike suspension. You need to know the limits once you start getting into big power and can hurt yourself. I can see some people saying, "oh shiv said I could use summer tires in the winter". He is selling power, do some research and if I were him I'd stop giving opinions on anything suspension related cuz all you vultures do is go after the petty things.

End rant sorry

+1

[Lulz_M3]

Any chance of a hardware only sale?

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by scott_uw

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Because you're totally not biased or anything. **~!LoL!~**

Also: 90% of FBO cars have full suspension upgrades.. in e90post vendor heaven.

Transition to over/understeer due to suspension squat isn't indicative of a suspension that isn't street worthy. It's indicative of a suspension that can be improved when driving a car at its mechanical traction limit (cornering hard while rolling on the power). This isn't something that most people can comfortably do on public roads. It's something that most will ever see on the track. And frankly, most people aren't proficient enough drivers to appreciate what a good suspension can do. They will notice that the ride is more damped and that the steering reacts quicker. Rarely will they experience the differences in at-the-limit balance and how well it deals with transitions. Even with 600+ HP. The truth is most people won't press the throttle and turn the steering wheel to an appreciable degree at the same time.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by turugara

Is there a scheduled test to take one of these single turbo 335i's out to a road course and see how well it holds up during extended WOT? Especially on hot Cali tracks.

^ This!

[trufus]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

So you suggest at 440whp with stock turbos FBO and tune that suspension upgrades are not needed. The fact that people overlook the suspension mod does not suggest that they should be lumped in with the big power of a single. They were and are needed on stock turbos at 440whp.

I was done with this topic, but if you insist... You're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't suggest anything of the kind, or anything at all really. I simply pointed out that suspension is generally overlooked in favor of power. It wasn't a knock on you or shiv, in fact this means shiv is doing a good job at what he does (sell power). It was more of an observation.

The second part was a little bit of a knock on yall. Sikh, you've done the upgrades properly. But not everyone is as "car-savvy" as you. A couple pages back, someone just pointed out that some upgrades beyond what's included in the kit would be necessary to take a stock car to a single turbo car.

No harm in pointing out the obvious is there? :

[Carl Morris]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The truth is most people won't press the throttle and turn the steering wheel to an appreciable degree at the same time.

Yup. I took my last car (AWD) to the track on occasion when they had free days and the stock suspension on it makes my stock XI suspension seem like a race car. The driving style consisted of blasting down the straights, do all my braking before I start turning, apex late with the car pointed directly down the next straight, full throttle with a bit of slide toward the outside, repeat as necessary. Fun and plenty fast. Would have gotten beaten badly by a car with the same power and a real suspension, but didn't care. It was more fun passing the lower powered cars who didn't think I could catch them because of lack of suspension and tires. It helped that it was a track with tight corners and long straights.

At this point I don't plan to do anything differently with the XI. Well...maybe reduce the understeer a bit :-).

[jpsimon]

The XI's stock suspension is horrible - even when you order the "sport" package like i did. Coilovers were one of my first mods right along with the OG procede. It was necessary on an almost stock car.

[GeorgiaTech335coupe]

I think someone asked this before, but I don't remember seeing the answer: Do all the cars that currently have the single setup have the ball bearing option or just the regular journal bearing?

[munters]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

The XI's stock suspension is horrible - even when you order the "sport" package like i did. Coilovers were one of my first mods right along with the OG procede. It was necessary on an almost stock car.

On the XI the suspension is unfortunetely the same as without the sport package. I figured that out after complaining to my Dealer. (they don't say anything if you don't ask) we payd a lot for "just tires bumper and steering wheel"...

[munters]

For me it is clear a Turbo package is a turbo package nothing else.
Or should it be controlled by the governement and law which mod needs which mod. Like Coffe is hot be carefull

[GeorgiaTech335coupe]

Originally Posted by munters

Like Coffe is hot be carefull

If you knew all the facts of that case, you would have a completely different opinion.

But yeah, your point is heard. This is a power package. You buy it to get power. How/if you want to put it to the ground is entirely up to the consumer.

[munters]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTech335coupe

How/if you want to put it to the ground is entirely up to the consumer.

Offer it or give advise is good enough I think. (If you buy a house you know you need a vakum to clean it, but you don't ask the agent to provide it. you research or ask for advise. Strange way of explaining what i think but hope you understand)

[BEAR-AvHistory]

Originally Posted by pits200

. He is selling a power upgrade and if people are too stupid to realize the neccessary suspension parts to go along with the single turbo well maybe you shouldn't be part of the conversation

Thing is he specifically said you don't need any, nada, zip suspension upgrades for the street. So who is right him or you?

[munters]

Originally Posted by BEAR-AvHistory

Thing is he specifically said you don't need any, nada, zip suspension upgrades for the street. So who is right him or you?

What does need mean? you can still drive without. so you don't need it. if it's better or not is another question.

[trufus]

Originally Posted by munters

What does need mean? you can still drive without. so you don't need it. if it's better or not is another question.

Let's say to replicate his 1/4 mile or 60-130 results. Are they necessary?