[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

The one thing I dont like about Cobb is that you have to have it plugged in all the time.

Huh?

[Elie335i]

Originally Posted by roninsoldier83

You can take a look at a parts diagram; part number 6 listed here:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...11&fg=10&hl=19

^^^However, it was rumored that there were two on each side of the engine (rather than just the dual setup pictured), but I cannot find any evidence of this, and haven't taken the time to start pulling apart my engine bay to find out as of yet.

yes thanks, I've seen this picture a while ago, but can you be more specific about the location on the engine that they're mount on?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Huh?

Cobb told me you only plug it in when uploading maps. I thought you had to keep it in.

[e92bmw]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

The one thing I dont like about Cobb is that you have to have it plugged in all the time.

My friend, cobb is a flash tune, it flashes the ecu in about 20 minutes. After that you unplug it and youre done.

[BmwFanFL]

Thank goodness. I'm thinking of buying either a jb3 or cobb after reading this thread. I hadn't envisioned the access port dangling over my feet all the time. Part of me just wants to live dangerously ;-)

Originally Posted by beemw

My friend, cobb is a flash tune, it flashes the ecu in about 20 minutes. After that you unplug it and youre done.

[BmwFanFL]

Probably true. Though my 'what would we debate' was mostly rhetorical.

Even without the tuning experience, I agree that flashes will most likely become the dominant tune. Once you add ATR, it creates an ecosystem to feed on itself. More and more flash competition will come along.

(I'd actually been checking back occasionally for shark injector and caught the announcement for Cobb -- amazed that it came to fruition so fast).

Piggybacks have some theoretical advantage for invisibility, but I think it is only theoretical.

P.s. Thanks for driving this timing/tuning point. The million repetitive posts waste time, but I think the audience needs it. In my opinion, the deflection of the approach and theory is more of an issue than the approach itself. A lower cost sophisticated boost controller is a nice product. A full tune, it isn't, IMO.

These threads helped me get past my tune nervousness. I don't like the idea of inaccurate engine processes, or even the DME living in a virtual reality....

Originally Posted by Clap135

Nothing, by that time piggy backs will begin to fade away just like in any other tuner market. This car is NO different. i have been saying this for a while now.

Once flashes liek cobb with user software (atr) come out, a group of smart people will drive them out with openecu. That is simply how it works.

[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Nothing, by that time piggy backs will begin to fade away just like in any other tuner market. This car is NO different. i have been saying this for a while now.

Once flashes liek cobb with user software (atr) come out, a group of smart people will drive them out with openecu. That is simply how it works.

Speaking of this, how is the CP-E standback coming along?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

Cobb told me you only plug it in when uploading maps. I thought you had to keep it in.

I keep it in all the time, but that is because i like having real time guages of anything I want to see. Actual boost, timing, af, coolant temp, oil temps, wgdc, pretty much whatever you want to view, you can.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

The one thing I dont like about Cobb is that you have to have it plugged in all the time.

nah.

1) plug it into OBDII port
2) flash
3) after it's flashed, remove Cobb from OBDII

**unless you want to read "real time" parameters such as boost, a/f, etc

[onesuperboi]

Originally Posted by BmwFanny

Probably true. Though my 'what would we debate' was mostly rhetorical.

Even without the tuning experience, I agree that flashes will most likely become the dominant tune. Once you add ATR, it creates an ecosystem to feed on itself. More and more flash competition will come along.

(I'd actually been checking back occasionally for shark injector and caught the announcement for Cobb -- amazed that it came to fruition so fast).

Piggybacks have some theoretical advantage for invisibility, but I think it is only theoretical.

P.s. Thanks for driving this timing/tuning point. The million repetitive posts waste time, but I think the audience needs it. In my opinion, the deflection of the approach and theory is more of an issue than the approach itself. A lower cost sophisticated boost controller is a nice product. A full tune, it isn't, IMO.

These threads helped me get past my tune nervousness. I don't like the idea of inaccurate engine processes, or even the DME living in a virtual reality....

It seems like you understand what's going on in this thread, yet you're still considering to get a JB3???

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I keep it in all the time, but that is because i like having real time guages of anything I want to see. Actual boost, timing, af, coolant temp, oil temps, wgdc, pretty much whatever you want to view, you can.

Attachment 490095

That is awesome, what are you using to keep it up there?

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

That is awesome, what are you using to keep it up there?

I purchased a universal cell phone holder from verizon for 20 bucks. It has a suction cup or clips into the air vents. Right now it is clipped into the center drivers side air vent. In the picture above it was suctioned to the windshield.

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I purchased a universal cell phone holder from verizon for 20 bucks. It has a suction cup or clips into the air vents. Right now it is clipped into the center drivers side air vent. In the picture above it was suctioned to the windshield.

I am going to use one of the phone holders. I am very impressed with the numbers they put down on a stock car. I wonder what they can do with a FBO car.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by gbreeE90

I am going to use one of the phone holders. I am very impressed with the numbers they put down on a stock car. I wonder what they can do with a FBO car.

I have a full bolt on car, when stage 2 comes out, I will dyno stock, stage 1, stage 2 all withing 10 min of each other. If i had to guess I am somehwere around 360-370 to the wheels right now on a basic stage 1. On my stage one that slight more aggressive with boost then the OTS release, Id venture to guess 370-380.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I keep it in all the time, but that is because i like having real time guages of anything I want to see. Actual boost, timing, af, coolant temp, oil temps, wgdc, pretty much whatever you want to view, you can.

Attachment 490095

I love all the data you can see w that tool

doesnt PLX and other companies make something similar as a gauge that can read OBDII properties and display as you pick on a guage?

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I love all the data you can see w that tool

doesnt PLX and other companies make something similar as a gauge that can read OBDII properties and display as you pick on a guage?

I was considering getting the Kiwi PLX device, the problem is once either JB4/Procede hijack the CANbus, it's rendered useless.

[Clap135]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I love all the data you can see w that tool

doesnt PLX and other companies make something similar as a gauge that can read OBDII properties and display as you pick on a guage?

Sorry, don't have any experience playing with plx guages. Either way does gueages wont work on anything but flashed cars and the piggys don't report accurate signals.

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by Sniz

I love all the data you can see w that tool

doesnt PLX and other companies make something similar as a gauge that can read OBDII properties and display as you pick on a guage?

Yep - there are a few that are compatible with the PIDs the OBDII on the bmw puts out. The only issue is that with all the tunes that have CAN integratoin (piggys) they OBDII style gauges won't be able to connect as the piggyback is taking priority.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by FlyLow335i

Yep - there are a few that are compatible with the PIDs the OBDII on the bmw puts out. The only issue is that with all the tunes that have CAN integratoin (piggys) they OBDII style gauges won't be able to connect as the piggyback is taking priority.

but they will work w non piggied cars just fine. Thats good, they are cool little gauges.

[techlogik]

I think the problem at this point on the subject of timing control is entirely with Terry/Mike. They have themselves deep into this position that the DME can and does handle all timing related issues and enough logic built-in to the system, that is doesn't need external/altered timing to run higher boost safely. "As proven by the millions of miles and most tunes sold of any vendor on planet Earth."

Once you have yourself so deep on a position, you can't go back without completely losing all credibility. Right now, the don't seem to have any credibility with anybody who knows anything about FI tuning fundamentals, and the N54 is no different in regards to these principles.

But, I would like to pose the question to Mike/Terry. Why does every tuner out there who performs flashing, piggyback, or custom tuning of the N54, want to control timing directly? That is their position based on their experience. Controlling timing is fundamental as part of FI. Yet, Terry/Mike are the only ones that think it isn't necessary and the stock DME is more than sufficient to do it on the N54?

Do you guys have more insight and knowledge about the N54, DME and FI that is so far above and beyond the cumulative decades of FI experiences of other tuners?

[Forcefed3]

Originally Posted by Clap135

I have a full bolt on car, when stage 2 comes out, I will dyno stock, stage 1, stage 2 all withing 10 min of each other. If i had to guess I am somehwere around 360-370 to the wheels right now on a basic stage 1. On my stage one that slight more aggressive with boost then the OTS release, Id venture to guess 370-380.

So stage 2 should be around 400?

[TakeOne]

Originally Posted by Clap135

Nothing, by that time piggy backs will begin to fade away just like in any other tuner market. This car is NO different. i have been saying this for a while now.

Once flashes liek cobb with user software (atr) come out, a group of smart people will drive them out with openecu. That is simply how it works.

CLAP,
Speaking of this, how is the CP-E standback coming along?