[jblackwell]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

I don't think a single person is bitching about the quality of AR design's pipes. i think they are just saying they think the price could be more reasonable. And also considering the fact that **********s can sell them for $560 dollars and likely still make some kind of profit for it to be reasonable, then I can see how paying $700+ for a set may seem a little too much. We all agree its a good quality. But certain companies not necessarily ar design themselves act like they would lose money if they sold them for any less... And its simply not true. If they want to charge a premium for there work, that is there business and I have no problem with that. But we can all complain about price if we want. People complain about the price of BMW's also. I am 100% for a quality made product and support any company who is willing to go out of the way to create one. However as a consumer, I will always explore all options and thats why this thread exists. Nothing wrong with it.

+1

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[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

I don't think a single person is bitching about the quality of AR design's pipes. i think they are just saying they think the price could be more reasonable. And also considering the fact that **********s can sell them for $560 dollars and likely still make some kind of profit for it to be reasonable, then I can see how paying $700+ for a set may seem a little too much. We all agree its a good quality. But certain companies not necessarily ar design themselves act like they would lose money if they sold them for any less... And its simply not true. If they want to charge a premium for there work, that is there business and I have no problem with that. But we can all complain about price if we want. People complain about the price of BMW's also. I am 100% for a quality made product and support any company who is willing to go out of the way to create one. However as a consumer, I will always explore all options and thats why this thread exists. Nothing wrong with it.

I am actually shocked at the **********s price as its below my cost (and I sell alot for Andrew) so I am not sure what happened or is going on, but maybe they decided to take a loss for marketing as part of their Black Friday Promo. Not really sure but at that price its a STEAL!! and does not prove like mentioned above that we are all making a killing when selling a set of pipes.

Mike

[onefastman]

Interesting to see whats gona happen

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I am actually shocked at the **********s price as its below my cost (and I sell alot for Andrew) so I am not sure what happened or is going on, but maybe they decided to take a loss for marketing as part of their Black Friday Promo. Not really sure but at that price its a STEAL!! and does not prove like mentioned above that we are all making a killing when selling a set of pipes.

Mike

You might want to take the knife out of your back. jp

[ar design]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

they decided to take a loss for marketing as part of their Black Friday Promo.

Nailed it. We are basically losing money at that price, but wanted to do some sort of a special and get more product out. We've found that the more people try our downpipes, the more we sell

[jblackwell]

HA HA HA HA! They just got cheaper!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_1435wt_1167

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Has anyone really looked at the pictures of these?



That is not a smooth taper at all near the bell mouth at all.

[cn555ic]

Yeah thats the most critical point where it needs to be smooth as possible!

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Has anyone really looked at the pictures of these?



That is not a smooth taper at all near the bell mouth at all.

some of these guys dont care about power increase, they just want to be able to say they have dp's lol

[cn555ic]

One thing that I am puzzled about is that some DPs have those mounting brackets, while the AR dps don't...Whats the deal with that? How come ARs don't come with brackets?

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

One thing that I am puzzled about is that some DPs have those mounting brackets, while the AR dps don't...Whats the deal with that? How come ARs don't come with brackets?

this is the first set i have seen with them, 3" dp's wont fit with the factory hanger bracket the way it is anyway. one customer bought me a set of ar dp's to install that he bought used, the previous owner had someone weld one of those brackets on, it didnt even line up with anything lol

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by jblackwell

HA HA HA HA! They just got cheaper!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_1435wt_1167

LOL.. Did you read this part

Recommended Maintenance:

It is best to clean your down pipe with 00 size steel wool on a monthly basis. This steel wool is available from any hardware store.

Mike

[bmwgrsv]

Just a heads up for everyone as well.. if you use bing . com with internet explorer just do a search for something like Ping Golf Clubs.. On top you will see a link to ebay which every buy it now purchase you get 8% off when you open a bing account and get cashback rewards.. then when you're on EBay just search for these pipes or anything else..

it's free and I'd say over the last year or so they have been doing this I've put about $500.00 in my pocket by using this.. FYI..

Originally Posted by jblackwell

HA HA HA HA! They just got cheaper!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ht_1435wt_1167

[bmwgrsv]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

Admit it, competition is a good thing for the consumer. And if these pipes ain't worth a shit, then thats bad for the consumer. Agreeable or not? Competition is good? yes?

Those that have a stranglehold on the market don't like competition.. I REALLY hope these work out because honestly I think it's pretty low that a vendor needs to justify why their pipes are so much better and why you shouldn't even consider buying anything than his/her higher PRICED product..

Time will tell..

[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

Has anyone really looked at the pictures of these?



That is not a smooth taper at all near the bell mouth at all.

Yes but they should still flow better than stock. I don't think nobody is arguing that these pipes are as good as ARs or any other pipes on the market. Some are just looking for something that's better than stock without shelling out a premium. If these pipes welds are good & they make 10 whp more over stock its a win at this price. On any other platform these are the norm for price on dps, I don't get why BMW owners see a cheap part & the first thing you hear is you get what you pay for. Everything expensive is not necessarily the only thing that will work, yes you might get better quality but that don't mean the cheaper part is destined to fail. Like I said if the welds look good it is an upgrade from stock not on Ars level but a upgrade nontheless.

[onefastman]

+1

[SlicktopTTZ]

I would never put those on my car. The area right after the turbine is going to cause some major turbulence. These pipes are great...... if you want to regret not having maximum power and efficiency extracted from your engine.

[Terrance28]

Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ

I would never put those on my car. The area right after the turbine is going to cause some major turbulence. These pipes are great...... if you want to regret not having maximum power and efficiency extracted from your engine.

Until we see inside the pipe we don't know if it will cause turbulance or not. I will hold judgement until I see inside of these pipes. I guarantee if somebody dynos these and gain 10-15whp over the stock pipes and the fitment and welds look good the outlook on these pipes will change.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by sexye92

some of these guys dont care about power increase, they just want to be able to say they have dp's lol

Are you saying these pipes will provide less power than the stock pipes + cats? I think not. The simple fact that you aren't giving them the benefit of the doubt makes you a hater. Just wait and see...jeez. If they don't perform better than stock then you can complain about the price all you want... I'll be right behind you.

[Jonny550]

i donnlo if these welds are going to be up for the task of holding high amounts of boost.

[mwscircle]

Originally Posted by Jon335iFL

i donnlo if these welds are going to be up for the task of holding high amounts of boost.

that makes no sense -_- pipe and boost?