[Driver72]

Originally Posted by down4it

I think the sedan weighs about 30-40lbs over the coupe...

The coupe is a mere 22 lbs lighter.
Not much of anything really.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by MacDutchski

What is the peak boost for V2?

I believe it's right about where the JB2R is too 14-15 psi.

[stressdoc]

The focus on what amounts to a car length or two in straight line acceleration in the tuner wars seems a touch obsessive. It must be the nature of the more direct competition; the goal is to be a little bit faster than the guy next to you, in contrast to being a little bit faster through your favorite canyon run.

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I believe it's right about where the JB2R is too 14-15 psi.

JB2R is around 13.5-14psi, with a brief spike to 15.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Terry335

JB2R is around 13.5-14psi, with a brief spike to 15.

Yup, I bare witness to that.
I think the v2 is pretty much the same thing though too, I know Shiv posted the details somewhere on here where it's at a certain psi (like 12-13) up to a given rpms, then goes up a bit to around 14-15 at a certain rpm, then drops back down to 13-14 from 5800-6800ish rpms, then drops to like 6 at 6900 rpms.

[Driver72]

Oh, BTW all, as for the videos I made, I should of given the Mini DV to Sherwin.
I won't be able to have them edited, digitized and uploaded until sometime after Thanksgiving if people want to see them.

Sherwin will probably be able to post up the view from his car before that tho. so you'll see it there.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by HyperM3

So his gf weighed 150-175lbs?

lol this is the most valid question in the thread... jk. Sorta.

3 Things:

1) Sherwin is the best name on this forum.

2) Great work Terry for offering a product that makes that much power for so inexpensive! (Not sure how it does it and wish it did it on 91 octane though)

3) I look forward to seeing two cars both on pump gas with piggybacks and no mechanical mods going head to head. V2.02 will have a few maps for mods like downpipes and intakes so this beta race is still probably 90% of the final map (correct me if I'm wrong Shiv). Hopefully there will be a JSB2R Street?

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

3) I look forward to seeing two cars both on pump gas with piggybacks and no mechanical mods going head to head. V2.02 will have a few maps for mods like downpipes and intakes so this beta race is still probably 90% of the final map (correct me if I'm wrong Shiv). Hopefully there will be a JSB2R Street?

We're always throwing around ideas, but for now the JB2 is as strong as we can go on 91/93 octane. 94 octane guys might be able to get away with the JB2R.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

2) Great work Terry for offering a product that makes that much power for so inexpensive! (Not sure how it does it and wish it did it on 91 octane though)

3) I look forward to seeing two cars both on pump gas with piggybacks and no mechanical mods going head to head.

I'm in the process of setting that up now.

JB2R on 95-96 Octane vs. v1.47 on 93 octane

and

JB2R on 95-96 Octane vs PROcede v2.02 on 93 octane


The reason for the JB2R getting the 95-96 Octane compared to the PROcede getting only 93 is because Terry recommends minimum 95 Octane while on his JB2R race gas map for safety reasons.

I want to see how the PROcedes on pump gas compare to the JB2R on race gas mix.
The cars are pretty much dead equal in every other respect (both auto transmissions, both have CSL rep wheels, both have General tires, and both would be within 30 lbs of weight from each other if we have same amount of gas in our cars).
You can't get much more equally matched than that.

[tek818]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Oh, BTW all, as for the videos I made, I should of given the Mini DV to Sherwin.
I won't be able to have them edited, digitized and uploaded until sometime after Thanksgiving if people want to see them.

Sherwin will probably be able to post up the view from his car before that tho. so you'll see it there.

If u are going to Van Nuys today, stop by here and let me capture the footage really quick; I'll have it cut tonight...

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by AB Tek 818

If u are going to Van Nuys today, stop by here and let me capture the footage really quick; I'll have it cut tonight...

Ok Adam, I'll give you a call when I'm done and just give you the footage.

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by Driver72

I'm in the process of setting that up now.

JB2R on 95-96 Octane vs. v1.47 on 93 octane

and

JB2R on 95-96 Octane vs PROcede v2.02 on 93 octane


The reason for the JB2R getting the 95-96 Octane compared to the PROcede getting only 93 is because Terry recommends minimum 95 Octane while on his JB2R race gas map for safety reasons.

I want to see how the PROcedes on pump gas compare to the JB2R on race gas mix.
The cars are pretty much dead equal in every other respect (both auto transmissions, both have CSL rep wheels, both have General tires, and both would be within 30 lbs of weight from each other if we have same amount of gas in our cars).
You can't get much more equally matched than that.

Sweet, look forward to it, almost makes more sense to have the procede cars on 95-96 too, however.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Sweet, look forward to it, almost makes more sense to have the procede cars on 95-96 too, however.

The PROcede car in both instances will be mine.

Yeah, for a more fair comparo both would be on 95-96 Octane.

Part of me wants to run the v2.02 on 91 Octane vs. the JB2R on race gas.
Why?
Well, cause I want to see what the PROcede v2.02 will do in it's default settings for those of us who get just the crappy 91 Octane compared to the JB2R on it's recommended/required Octane.

The beauty of the v2.02 is that you can run it on 91 Octane.
But the reason I'm choosing to run it on 93 Octane vs. the 95-96 on the JB2R is because lots of states get 93 Octane from the pump.

This way they will know how the two compare.

The JB2R no doubt runs well, but it's downfall (IMHO) is needing to run 95+ Octane to safely run it. That's a pain in the arse for many who don't have race gas available to them or want to deal with spending the extra time and money of mixing the gas at each fill up so they can run the JB2R full time.
The v2.02 is run full time and they just need to pull in to any reputable gas station and stick their pump 93 Octane in and be at 100% on the settings.

And those of us with just crappy 91 Octane from the pump will still be able to run the v2.02 in daily driving just at the slightly lower default settings.

OK, I got to go now.
Talk to you all later.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Cornhusker

395 or 1,300, is STILL money. Anyways, most of wallmarts items sell for alot less then 395.00, and the walton's are all multibillionaires. Terry would sell it for more if he believed he could, period.

What are you talking about? He could sell it for more..

[Vyruz Reaper]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

lol this is the most valid question in the thread... jk. Sorta.

3 Things:

1) Sherwin is the best name on this forum.

2) Great work Terry for offering a product that makes that much power for so inexpensive! (Not sure how it does it and wish it did it on 91 octane though)

3) I look forward to seeing two cars both on pump gas with piggybacks and no mechanical mods going head to head. V2.02 will have a few maps for mods like downpipes and intakes so this beta race is still probably 90% of the final map (correct me if I'm wrong Shiv). Hopefully there will be a JSB2R Street?

Hey bro i see ur in walnut creek!!! its not fair all this guys are having meetups in socal and all these races.... I live in Danville... we should make a meet of all of us.

I have SSTT in my car, and i see you have PROcede, and lets get a few others around and see what we can do!

[ontopofm]

so 91 octane is OK on v2.0.1 default settings?

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by Driver72

The PROcede car in both instances will be mine.

Yeah, for a more fair comparo both would be on 95-96 Octane.

Part of me wants to run the v2.02 on 91 Octane vs. the JB2R on race gas.
Why?
Well, cause I want to see what the PROcede v2.02 will do in it's default settings for those of us who get just the crappy 91 Octane compared to the JB2R on it's recommended/required Octane.

The beauty of the v2.02 is that you can run it on 91 Octane.
But the reason I'm choosing to run it on 93 Octane vs. the 95-96 on the JB2R is because lots of states get 93 Octane from the pump.

This way they will know how the two compare.

The JB2R no doubt runs well, but it's downfall (IMHO) is needing to run 95+ Octane to safely run it. That's a pain in the arse for many who don't have race gas available to them or want to deal with spending the extra time and money of mixing the gas at each fill up so they can run the JB2R full time.
The v2.02 is run full time and they just need to pull in to any reputable gas station and stick their pump 93 Octane in and be at 100% on the settings.

And those of us with just crappy 91 Octane from the pump will still be able to run the v2.02 in daily driving just at the slightly lower default settings.

OK, I got to go now.
Talk to you all later.

I can't wait to see the results.
Are you mixing in Toluene 114 (R+M)/2 to boost the octane on the JB2r?

[MacDutchski]

Driver72,

So for the results you talked about yesterday... were both Terry and Walked U running race gas? Or just Terry?

[sambonator]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

What are you talking about? He could sell it for more..

+1. Fair market value is probably like $695 easy. If he stopped selling them all of a sudden, used ones will really go up in price!

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I'm not sure I understand. Walked U is a customer. He may get maps a couple of weeks earlier than others because I know he will test them out and run them hard. And I know he (and others of course) will give me good feedback. But giving his something bleeding edge doesn't do either of us any good. He's racing for fun, not money. Why should he assume all the risk with none of the reward.

Tuners, on the other hand, have a very different motivation and pushing things a bit harder for the sake of running faster has its merits. Both for long term development and, of course, bragging rights.

Shiv

Wait a second, sounded like bragging rights when you posted your "world's quickest and fastest 335i" in your signature. Furthermore, what is Terry going to do to push the envelope? Run more boost than the V2.02? Run more timing? My bad, I forgot, the JB2 is incapable of that. So what more can be done without Terry having timing control at higher boost levels?

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Terry, it's cool, you can tell people it was me in your car.

And yes, I watched his boost gauge on one run and it just touched the 15 psi mark for a split second, then hovered around 13-14 psi for most of the time.

So what boost psi did the V2.02 hit?? Did it go over 14psi?

[Ado]

Interesting results....

I would have never though that it would be that close.

Hey Terry,

You got any guys in or around Toronto (Canada) that have the JB2R? I'd like to run them.