[mithiral67]

Originally Posted by Tuner1984

Stage 2 will come out, and once that happens I no offense to JB or Vishnu because I think there products are good as well, but I think Cobb is going to be on top. Only reason your saying JB is better then Cobb currently is because the JB currently tunes to your boltons which allows you to get the max power out of everything while currently Cobb Stage 1 doesnt. I guarentee you that once Cobb Stage 2 comes out and you can tune with Boltons it will walk your car.

no, he said that because he has dissociative identity disorder and there are 6 modders trapped in his body fighing over the ideal set up for his car.

[michael1284]

Originally Posted by Imperator

I'm not used to that "turboback" terminology. Must have been sourced from the Evinrude, er Subaru community.

Downpipes are all that's needed on stock turbos. Anything farther back just adds noise.

Agreed.

[kdiggz]

Originally Posted by Imperator

I'm not used to that "turboback" terminology. Must have been sourced from the Evinrude, er Subaru community.

Downpipes are all that's needed on stock turbos. Anything farther back just adds noise.

What about the secondary cat located in the midpipe area? I like on the suby's and evo's how there is just 1 cat and it's easily unbolted and replaced with a test pipe. You can tell bmw didn't want anybody modding these things so they made the cat removal difficult on this car

[michael1284]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

This is not what i want to know, i want to know when

I don't ask that because #1 I know he won't tell me anything new, and #2 it's not going to change anything if I ask him time and time again.

I was answering some of the other questions that popped up on this thread.

[Tuner1984]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

no, he said that because he has dissociative identity disorder and there are 6 modders trapped in his body fighing over the ideal set up for his car.

lol. He constantly changes. He originally had Cobb and was all about it and nows he's like JB is the shizzzznitttt and is so negative about Cobb. Tunes take time!!! I'd rather wait and have Cobb come out with a perfect tune then have them put out a tune thats a POS. Make up ya mind!!!

[Imperator]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

What about the secondary cat located in the midpipe area? I like on the suby's and evo's how there is just 1 cat and it's easily unbolted and replaced with a test pipe. You can tell bmw didn't want anybody modding these things so they made the cat removal difficult on this car

I'd rather keep the secondary cats in place-- they've proven effective even at the 400whp level, provide some amount of noise suppression and are still placed close enough to the downpipes to scrub up the exhaust gases. They're a bit sensitive to higher EGTs and can clog easily so it might be worth replacing or gutting them if you plan to use nitrous or track the car.

[vasillalov]

Originally Posted by michael1284

Just texted Rob. There will be two Stage 2's.

Stage 2 - turboback exhaust
Stage 2 + FMIC - turboback exhaust + FMIC

I'll be running Stage 2+ with downpipes only...

Ummm, you have FMIC twice in the second option. Is this a duplicate or did you mean another mod?

[michael1284]

Originally Posted by vasillalov

Ummm, you have FMIC twice in the second option. Is this a duplicate or did you mean another mod?

That's what they are calling it..."Stage 2" and "Stage 2 + FMIC".

[Brey335i]

IMO, those setups are all wrong.

What is needed is a FMIC first to address several issues COBB owners have had with the car being too aggressive for the conditions. Then downpipes to help with the flow.

A turboback exhaust is something taken out of the Subaru tuning handbook, not applicable to the N54. Yes you can have a turboback, but it should not come before a FMIC upgrade. And it definitely isn't necessary at the Stage 2 boost levels.

[mithiral67]

I had the exact same coversation with Rob via pms about a month ago, but it appears this will be the approach they are going with. Including the part where the use of catback will be lost on a lot of folks here and is not the popular mod path. Ideally they drop ATR at the same time as stage 2 and this is all a moot point.

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

IMO, those setups are all wrong.

What is needed is a FMIC first to address several issues COBB owners have had with the car being too aggressive for the conditions. Then downpipes to help with the flow.

A turboback exhaust is something taken out of the Subaru tuning handbook, not applicable to the N54. Yes you can have a turboback, but it should not come before a FMIC upgrade. And it definitely isn't necessary at the Stage 2 boost levels.

Agree, especially as I'll be adding a FMIC (to my 1M) but plan on keeping the stock downpipes while I'm under warranty.

Neil

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

IMO, those setups are all wrong.

What is needed is a FMIC first to address several issues COBB owners have had with the car being too aggressive for the conditions. Then downpipes to help with the flow.

A turboback exhaust is something taken out of the Subaru tuning handbook, not applicable to the N54. Yes you can have a turboback, but it should not come before a FMIC upgrade. And it definitely isn't necessary at the Stage 2 boost levels.

I guess it took for Cobb to make people realize a fmic is more important than Downpipes.

[E90Vader]

JB4 does have a custom map... It can be tuned almost identical to COBB stage 2 once we see its boost levels ETC. You should be able to tweak similar performance from JB4 ifyou are map adjust savvy.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by mithiral67

no, he said that because he has dissociative identity disorder and there are 6 modders trapped in his body fighing over the ideal set up for his car.

LMAO!..when ur right ur right

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

IMO, those setups are all wrong.

What is needed is a FMIC first to address several issues COBB owners have had with the car being too aggressive for the conditions. Then downpipes to help with the flow.

A turboback exhaust is something taken out of the Subaru tuning handbook, not applicable to the N54. Yes you can have a turboback, but it should not come before a FMIC upgrade. And it definitely isn't necessary at the Stage 2 boost levels.

Well when u say turbo back do u also mean DPs. b/c to recongnize full potential of a tune DPs are a big + as is an FMIC... secondary exhaust not so much

[Jake@MOTIV]

Originally Posted by E90Vader

JB4 does have a custom map... It can be tuned almost identical to COBB stage 2 once we see its boost levels ETC. You should be able to tweak similar performance from JB4 ifyou are map adjust savvy.

lol - you should really give up. one is adjusting voltages to control values of inputs and outputs while one is actually using resolution tables. at the end of the day cobb is a more "powerful" tune. right now the jb4 just allows for more boost. Neither the procede nor the jb4 allow for actual tuning. they let you put %'s and stuff in a few boxes that represent how much boost etc you want to run. thats not tuning. they obviously are faster rihgt now because they have higher boost and timing during runs...do you not understand how cars work? i mean ive read your posts / threads and chuckled...but to actually make statements like that is just funny

[kdiggz]

Originally Posted by tibra1

Well when u say turbo back do u also mean DPs. b/c to recongnize full potential of a tune DPs are a big + as is an FMIC... secondary exhaust not so much

turboback means mean exactly that...exhaust from the turbo all the way back so yes that includes the downpipes

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by kdiggz

turboback means mean exactly that...exhaust from the turbo all the way back so yes that includes the downpipes

Right thx for clearing that up for me...so if faced w a choice FMIC first w DPs a very close second.

[Alan l.]

Originally Posted by E90Vader

JB4 does have a custom map... It can be tuned almost identical to COBB stage 2 once we see its boost levels ETC. You should be able to tweak similar performance from JB4 ifyou are map adjust savvy.

You need to read up on how tunes work for this car because you obviously don't understand at this point.

Alan

[Peertwelve]

I finally got my AP delivered today. I've been trying to access www.cobbtuning.com all day to download firmware updates and maps. This site is down for me. Anyone else?

The manual states something like 'make sure to download new updates for the AP before you begin'. But then later in the manual it says that the AP has to be married to the car before AP Manager (the software) can be used. Am i reading this wrong? What is the best way to begin?

[Tuner1984]

Originally Posted by Peertwelve

I finally got my AP delivered today. I've been trying to access www.cobbtuning.com all day to download firmware updates and maps. This site is down for me. Anyone else?

The manual states something like 'make sure to download new updates for the AP before you begin'. But then later in the manual it says that the AP has to be married to the car before AP Manager (the software) can be used. Am i reading this wrong? What is the best way to begin?

Yes there site is currently down. There was a temp link on page 71 to a temporary site that had the software and maps.

[TLO03]

http://accessecu.com/accessport/downloads/. Temp site.. Cobb warn us of down site yesterday..