[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

so shutting down the car immediately does not cause negative side effects when using a stock turbo car, correct?

Even when driving hard wouldn't the electric coolant pump be sufficient in allowing the components to cool down?

I would only think doing a quick cool down would only increase longevity in the stock system.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

so shutting down the car immediately does not cause negative side effects when using a stock turbo car, correct?

Even when driving hard wouldn't the electric coolant pump be sufficient in allowing the components to cool down?

In general, shutting down the car immediately after HARD driving is bad for many components in your car. Since most of the bits in your engine expand and contract at different rates, you want to limit the rate of cooling. This is the idea behind letting something cool down gradually while idling rather than just turning it off. Same concept behind doing a cool down lap on a track to avoid cracked/warped rotors and boiled brake fluid.

And we're talking HARD driving, not just tooling around down and parking in your garage. Chances are that you didn't do a burnout while sliding into your garage and your car is cooled from gentle cruising by the time you get there.

Shiv

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

+1

I can say its not easy to wake the sleepy bear and get him talking again, but we've managed to do it

Now, we just need someone to get serious and lay some dough down... Maybe once my car is running like a champ I can start looking this direction in a more serious way.

from what i've heard, we may have an answer to that very soon.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

from what i've heard, we may have an answer to that very soon.

I f*cking love rumors! Power to the grape vine! huzzuh!

[asr engineering]

Originally Posted by E92Fan

There's no need for the defensive and slightly patronising attitude my friend

I think everyone understands that my question about water cooling was a) genuine, and b) borne out of concern for longevity. No one is attacking the viability of the ASR or Racing Dynamics turbos, merely querying the long-term reliability of the unit and waiting for an appropriate answer, that Shiv and yourself have now given us. Thank you for clearing this up.

I think you mis-understod what I said as being patronising or defensive towards you, which was not my intent.

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by asr engineering

I think you mis-understod what I said as being patronising or defensive towards you, which was not my intent.

See, we're all friends here....... Can I have a hug?

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by asr engineering

I think you mis-understod what I said as being patronising or defensive towards you, which was not my intent.

Have you sold any of your kits to people in Europe? If possible, I'd like to try out that kit and see how it is in the real world, before spending my $$€€ on it...which I believe is not an unreasonable attitude.

Another question: As I already got traction problem with my current flash, I suppose you would recommend having an LSD with your kit, wouldn't you? Does your test car have that built in?

Alpina_B3_Lux

[enrita]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Have you sold any of your kits to people in Europe? If possible, I'd like to try out that kit and see how it is in the real world, before spending my $$€€ on it...which I believe is not an unreasonable attitude.

Another question: As I already got traction problem with my current flash, I suppose you would recommend having an LSD with your kit, wouldn't you? Does your test car have that built in?

Alpina_B3_Lux

i have tractions problems with LSD as well ;-)

[gian335]

yeah im pretty sure an lsd is needed. especially for manual cars. I believe even with these flashes, we need an lsd. These kits produce more power, so in terms we need better traction. especially if tracking is coming into play .

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

If possible, I'd like to try out that kit and see how it is in the real world, before spending my $$€€ on it...which I believe is not an unreasonable attitude.

There is nothing wrong with your attitude from what I can see. Just perhaps your logic or reasoning...

"You sir! Allow me try your toilet paper before I purchase if it is as soft as you say, yes?"

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

There is nothing wrong with your attitude from what I can see. Just perhaps your logic or reasoning...

"You sir! Allow me try your toilet paper before I purchase if it is as soft as you say, yes?"

You got toilet paper that costs several thousand USD??? And what's more, you drive around in your toilet paper?

Alpina_B3_Lux

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

You got toilet paper that costs several thousand USD??? And what's more, you drive around in your toilet paper?

Alpina_B3_Lux

If you wouldn't allow someone to try something as cheap as toilet paper without paying for it, why would someone allow you to install and probably abuse a product that costs thousands of dollars before paying? You are only reinforcing my suggestion. If I want to sell a home, I'm sure not going to let them live in it for a year to make sure they like it throughout the seasons. If i'm having you to do a 2JZ-GTE swap into a Mitsubishi Mirage, I'm going to expect you to pay the money regardless if you like it or not. This is the service industry we are talking about here. Not lookie lou window shopping.

Again, would it be great to try it first? Of course. But, if you are expecting it to be reasonable he lets people try it out first, that would not be fair. Besides, we will have some independent results soon from what I hear. Just hang tight.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by klipseracer

If you wouldn't allow someone to try something as cheap as toilet paper without paying for it, why would someone allow you to install and probably abuse a product that costs thousands of dollars before paying? You are only reinforcing my suggestion. If I want to sell a home, I'm sure not going to let them live in it for a year to make sure they like it throughout the seasons. If i'm having you to do a 2JZ-GTE swap into a Mitsubishi Mirage, I'm going to expect you to pay the money regardless if you like it or not. This is the service industry we are talking about here. Not lookie lou window shopping.

Again, would it be great to try it first? Of course. But, if you are expecting it to be reasonable he lets people try it out first, that would not be fair. Besides, we will have some independent results soon from what I hear. Just hang tight.

I think you misunderstood me.

I never said I want to try it out on my car, i.e. install it and return it when I'm not pleased. I would never even think of suggesting that and am a little surprised that you seem to have assumed so. I merely want to drive (as driver or co-pilot) a vehicle that has this kit installed, to see how it is on real road conditions. That's why I asked whether there's anyone in Europe that has this kit installed, in order to allow me to get in touch with that person and maybe get a chance to have a firsthand look and feel for it.

That's what I'll certainly be doing for the Turbo Dynamics kit, as soon as Tony has it in his car. I think it's not too unreasonable a thought, wouldn't you agree? I mean, the alternative would be to order it blindly and being stuck with it when it's not what I expected, which is something I wouldn't want to do for any investment with such a price tag.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[TurboSid]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

Have you sold any of your kits to people in Europe? If possible, I'd like to try out that kit and see how it is in the real world, before spending my $$€€ on it...which I believe is not an unreasonable attitude.
Alpina_B3_Lux

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

I think you misunderstood me.

I never said I want to try it out on my car, i.e. install it and return it when I'm not pleased. I would never even think of suggesting that and am a little surprised that you seem to have assumed so.

Alpina_B3_Lux

actually.. it sounds exactly like thats what u're trying to say. i dont think the assumption is far fetched at all

[klipseracer]

Originally Posted by Alpina_B3_Lux

I think you misunderstood me.

I never said I want to try it out on my car, i.e. install it and return it when I'm not pleased. I would never even think of suggesting that and am a little surprised that you seem to have assumed so. I merely want to drive (as driver or co-pilot) a vehicle that has this kit installed, to see how it is on real road conditions. That's why I asked whether there's anyone in Europe that has this kit installed, in order to allow me to get in touch with that person and maybe get a chance to have a firsthand look and feel for it.

That's what I'll certainly be doing for the Turbo Dynamics kit, as soon as Tony has it in his car. I think it's not too unreasonable a thought, wouldn't you agree? I mean, the alternative would be to order it blindly and being stuck with it when it's not what I expected, which is something I wouldn't want to do for any investment with such a price tag.

Alpina_B3_Lux

In this new light, then I can agree with you 100%.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by TurboSid

actually.. it sounds exactly like thats what u're trying to say. i dont think the assumption is far fetched at all

Well, you may want to cut a little slack to a guy to whom English is only his second foreign language, alright? If you can discuss like I do here in the German or French forums, we can start talking. But we're going OT here.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[Htown09]

So we could take out our stock turbos and have them upgraded by a company which would not require modification of the manifolds. Then add the bolt on's, LSD, and meth and we have a 450whp car?

What is the stock fuel system limitation on the 335i?

I might just wait 2 years for the FI M3 which will have TT, LSD, etc. from the factory then add a tune. Should have better mpg than current M3. But of course time will tell on that one.

[Alpina_B3_Lux]

Originally Posted by Htown09

So we could take out our stock turbos and have them upgraded by a company which would not require modification of the manifolds. Then add the bolt on's, LSD, and meth and we have a 450whp car?

What is the stock fuel system limitation on the 335i?

I might just wait 2 years for the FI M3 which will have TT, LSD, etc. from the factory then add a tune. Should have better mpg than current M3. But of course time will tell on that one.

I think you can always wait until something better comes up, which normally it eventually does... From what I could learn so far, the stock fuel system does not seem to be a limitation to the ASR upgrade - and look at the dyno runs in the other thread, if you go with meth you'll have 500whp rather than 450. But power is not the only concern, reliability and drivability are more important at least to me.

Let's wait until ASR comes back with answers to the latest queries (1 - has the wastegate problem been addressed in their upgrade like Turbo Dynmics did? 2- Any cars equipped with the upgrade driving around in Europe?), I guess they've been at SEMA.

Alpina_B3_Lux

[Bluechipper]

Originally Posted by Htown09

So we could take out our stock turbos and have them upgraded by a company which would not require modification of the manifolds. Then add the bolt on's, LSD, and meth and we have a 450whp car?

What is the stock fuel system limitation on the 335i?

I might just wait 2 years for the FI M3 which will have TT, LSD, etc. from the factory then add a tune. Should have better mpg than current M3. But of course time will tell on that one.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

With all the new turbo cars coming in the near future from BMW, just wait.

[midlife]

The simple question is: do you want 500 hp NOW - or do you want to wait another year or two.
In two years - you can probably wait another 2 years for 600 BMW hp.

[gian335]

this kit does look promising....i do not think this has been tested for AT n54's yet....So for people thinking about this kit with an auto tranny, its kinda like going into the dark. I would love to know if or when this setup has been tested on auto's as of yet.

[asr engineering]

Originally Posted by gian335

this kit does look promising....i do not think this has been tested for AT n54's yet....So for people thinking about this kit with an auto tranny, its kinda like going into the dark. I would love to know if or when this setup has been tested on auto's as of yet.

According to the data we have, the A/T will not have any issues at all holding up to the power of our Stage I or II. Stage III, on the other hand, is something that needs to be tested and monitored first before we can give an honest answer.

The longevity of the A/T transmission with Stages I and II have a lot do with how the car is being driven. If an A/T customer is abusing the transmission with brake boost launches on a daily bases or daily abuse in general, you can't expect the clutches to last very long. For those that are not abusing it every time they get in the car, they shouldn't expext to see any negative affects at all. Although, I would recommend a transmission oil cooler for those with A/T tranmissions that plan on doing our TT upgrades.