[schneid4323]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Eugen mentioned it Sir, I was simply correcting him.

If you would have read what he posted instead of directly attacking it he means that Shiv tunes many different manufactures cars, which is true. He posted for yall that you have BMW tuning experiance, which is also true.

Try and look beyond the horse blinders that you are wearing, and try to maintain some dignity.

[schneid4323]

I would like to retract one of my older posts. Jean apparently did not make the original AA post, Omar apparently (So far) is the only one to desolate AA's good name.

[gashero]

Omar, a good salesman, talk like a salesman and act like a salseman.

[BHairsto]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

I have to agree with you. Shiv was the first to come to market on the 335, and I must admit that would make him the pioneer in this application.

BTW, I don't intend to take anything away from your product--I was just trying to clarify the mindset of some of the Vishnu proponents. My final decision still has not been made, although I have been leaning towards the Procede. I'm mainly waiting for BMW to sort out the fuel pump issue (hopefully a recall soon)--by then, I imagine both products will have some additional developments and there will be a greater amount of objective user feedback to may make my decision easier. I just hope that we soon reach a point at which both products can be discussed without all of the trash talk.

[NaViT]

omg do i get free refills?

WOW!

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

If you would have read what he posted instead of directly attacking it he means that Shiv tunes many different manufactures cars, which is true. He posted for yall that you have BMW tuning experiance, which is also true.

Try and look beyond the horse blinders that you are wearing, and try to maintain some dignity.

It is obvious what you are here to do so if you have anything further to say I would appreciate it if you PM, Email, or give us a call. Thanks

[DrDomer]

I thought this was a Xede review... What happened? Is the Xede have any 1/4 mile times I can see? I am a Procede owner. I am open-minded though. I want #1 - an improvement in my car's performance #2 - reliability #3 - good customer service and support (in case #2 falls through) #4 - a good price. I don't care if my car is one tenth faster or slower in a 1/4 mile than someone with a TT or Xede. Shiv has seemed to offer 1-4. Looks like Xede might too. I could care less about all the other stuff. So... #1 - 1/4 mile time? #2 - what's your history so far... how many miles are on Xede's... any torture tests? #3 - Xede seems to have this #4 - good price. Can anyone help me out?

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by DrDomer

I thought this was a Xede review... Can anyone help me out?

If there are any questions regarding the AA/Xede processor that have not been answered please feel free to ask.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by catm3

Seems like there is a lot of bashing of both products in posts over the past few weeks. I think its safe to say that regardless of what platform AA chose to use, they would have some sort of tuner package for the 335i. They may have used an Xede box, but I would venture to say they did their own trial/error testing and mapping in house. No one but AA knows how long they were testing products for the 335i. Just because they didn't detail their beta testing on the forum, doesn't mean that it didn't occur a while back. AA releases the product when its ready. With the exception of rflows early track data, you just have to wait for the product to come out. I am sure there were other beta testers, albeit they weren't on the forum posting.

As for Vishnu, I think it was rather important for them to outline the beta testing on the forum as they did. Why? Because it introduced Vishnu to the BMW world. That's was an important step, and obviously it built trust, and now the Vishnu name is well known in the 335i tuner world. As far AA, would it have been nice to see the beta testing? Sure, but not really necessary IMO. AA and BMW go together like butter and biscuits. I have owned their products in the past, and they certainly have a well established reputation for tuning BMWs. I was fully confident they would have a piggyback or flash out for the 335i. I'd buy it based on previous experience and confidence in their tuning, without having to see any beta testing. Furthermore, I have been impressed with Vishnu's product and would also buy a PROcede based on what I have seen.

Vishnu and AA both have great products. Hopefully the bashing will stop and people just choose what they feel is right for them.

Well said.

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by schneid4323

If you would have read what he posted instead of directly attacking it he means that Shiv tunes many different manufactures cars, which is true. He posted for yall that you have BMW tuning experiance, which is also true.

Try and look beyond the horse blinders that you are wearing, and try to maintain some dignity.

True Shiv has tuned different cars, however we do have more than one tuner. One especially who has tuned many more cars (different makes and models) than Shiv, with many different systems (factory, piggy back, and standalone). Which i can easily prove. We also have BMW master mechanics who have tuned BMW's for decades.

You seem to manipulate every post that is made by Active Autowerke into a negative remark.

Maybe its not Omar who is stuck with "horse blinders"

P.s Everything (other than what is in bold) is a fact, so unless you can prove other wise please lets keep the rock throwing to a minimum.

[DrDomer]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

If there are any questions regarding the AA/Xede processor that have not been answered please feel free to ask.

Ummm.... Ok. Re-read my post. #1 Any quarter mile times with the Xede? #2 Any info on reliability? How many miles do you have on a car with the Xede installed? Have you done any specific torture tests, etc... to test reliability? Thanks.

[Jean@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by DrDomer

Ummm.... Ok. Re-read my post. #1 Any quarter mile times with the Xede? #2 Any info on reliability? How many miles do you have on a car with the Xede installed? Have you done any specific torture tests, etc... to test reliability? Thanks.

The 1/4 times should be fairly similiar for the Haltech Interceptor and our programmed Xede. Our tuning however has yielded a 12.6 1/4 time which is posted on dragtimes. We have other customers who have not made it out to the track yet but hopefully they will be posting up #'s soon.

Asa far as reliability we have not noticed any issues and we have shipped the boxes to customers in South America, Europe, and the far East who have all been pleased.

We have put around 3,500 miles on our company car with the latest programming which all of our customers have.

Last but not least as far as the torture test are concerned the most we have done is doing numerous back to back runs on our dyno and hitting up two local tracks with our company car. Once again with no issues.

Please let me know if you have any other questions regarding our AA programmed Xede processor. Thanks.

[WilyB]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

The 1/4 times should be fairly similiar for the Haltech Interceptor and our programmed Xede.

Haltech? We have another option beside PROcede, XEDE, Turner and TT

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Shiv in all honesty I apologize for even stepping down to this level. I have known about for quite sometime now and I have heard only good things about you. Even when I started on this forum it was the same thing, then I realized that you do not welcome competition instead you attack it to keep your name. I can go back and forth with you all day but it would be an injustice to your customers. I will allow you to get back to your harnesses and Interceptor development.

Appearantly, you can't "go back and forth" with me all day. It's hard for a sales person to say anything substantial or fact based in the market. I have no problem with competition. I just have a problem with bs. And you guys are spewing a lot of it lately.

You only address certain points that you feel favor you and I dont see the need for me to reply to this nonsense. As far as that infamous customer you are referring to I have no comment and YES I would love for you to refresh my memory however you like.. via PM or publicly.

Jay S. is one of them. You want another?

Remember the Car & Driver challenge a couple years back when we were the two "small" companies making a name for ourselves, not once did we think you would behave in this matter towards AA, Jeff, Turner , or any other competitors for that matter. You have a good following here and you should treat this group good.

All I remember about you guys from Car and Driver supertuner shootout was that you brought a car that underperformed. We had no idea who you were before that and never really thought about you guys after that until just recently.

Shiv you missed the point regarding the standalone, trust me we were doing it 10 years ago to. I think anyone could have done it 10 years ago.

Yah.. i must still keeping missing that point.

Remember your days with Buschur and those guys, your true colors shined there as well and that is when your reputation went downhill with those guys. How does a Vendor get temporarily banned from a forum they sponsor?

Again, you're assuming to much in hopes to paint a picture. A picture that even a little bit of research/thread searching will reveal to be nonsense. There were 3 vendors banned due to huge flame war. One of them got banned for physical threats, another for a racial insult. I got banned for no known reason other than to keep from showing favoritism. If you can determine otherwise, go ahead. But, imho, this is another example of you writing checks that you can't cash.

It is no secret that we are "diligently" working on an ECU flash that we will incorporate into our Xede program so we dont leave our customers stranded.

How does not having a flash leave people stranded? I'm not following you here.

As far as your threat regarding your value meal that is rather amusing. I am inviting you to send over the main course, supersized of course.... Please read above before you make that decision......

Lastly Shiv and the other members that mentioned this, do not think for once that I will not comment on a lie or indirect attack from either another company or member on any forum. I have met a ton of people here in person and have spoken to many on the phone and I am honest, no need for me to be fake with anyone. Thanks for your time and have a good day.

Omar, you delivered your own super sized smackdown on yourself. No need to get me involved anymore. Jean at AA continued the self-induced smackdown everytime he compares the Xede to, and refers to a PROcede as, a Haltech Interceptor. A product that doesn't even work on the 335i. I know because we are the sole distributor for them too

-shiv

[Terry335]

Originally Posted by Jon F

Is that something like failing to bring launch control and VANOS control to market? You're no stranger to making promises and then not delivering...or subjecting people to ridiculous wait times (go search a Subie/Evo forum) while you ignore real problems with your products in favor of pie-in-the-sky features that never come to pass. Some people consider the "updates" to the PROcede to really be using all your customers as beta testers. Some companies have a higher standard for product release than you, after all. I'm not going to make excuses for AA's time in releasing an ECU reflash for the 335i, but since they can't "update" it (read: correct errors) easily, maybe they're keen to do a little more than the cursory quality assurance you've done with the PROcede (v1.45 map, anyone?).



I'm not sure you've proven a viable link between AA's presence and Chiptorque's solicitations, and some of these requests might be per your business agreements with Chiptorque, which you've been so kind as to make clear as mud. Will you say definitively that Chiptorque had no right - based on your contract with them - to request this information? Even if that were the case, it doesn't seem to prove any wrongdoing on AA's part, despite your bluster.

Maybe you should spend less time on here attacking your competition (a vice of yours not lost in the past few years, I've noticed) and more time delivering what you've promised.

Damn!!!

[DrDomer]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke II

Our tuning however has yielded a 12.6 1/4 time which is posted on dragtimes.

I found it. You hooked up pretty well (video). Drag slicks? After market exhaust? Trap speed 108.98. Cool.

We have put around 3,500 miles on our company car with the latest programming which all of our customers have.

Good to hear. More time will garner more enthusiasm. To be honest... whether it's AA or Shiv... you're all new to me. Proof is in the pudding.

Last but not least as far as the torture test are concerned the most we have done is doing numerous back to back runs on our dyno and hitting up two local tracks with our company car. Once again with no issues.

Shiv's little race track deal was good publicity. I'm sure you guys will think of something.

All in all I'm sure the products are pretty equal. Seems Shiv squeezed a little more performance out of the 335i. Reliability is in favor of Shiv right now just because he's been at it longer, but time will tell. In a year the difference will be negligible if there's been no major issues either way. Looks like a good product.

[SfValley335i]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

Suddenly it makes sense how you made 300WHP/338lb-ft W torque at the Church Dyno day I knew it.It also shows in your graphs your line doesn't even look stock thanks for clearing that up now tho..

Actually Jon, ABTEK818 is right. I only had a Turbo Tuner for a few days just to test it out. It was later returned. On that dyno day I was completely stock with 91 oct shell gas.

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Shiv,

This is my last direct reply. I am a fool for assuming that all of potential customers are in the dark but apparently Jon F. has proved me wrong. There are many things out there that will come to light and I will not mention anything else regarding you or your business practices.

We have not stated on LIE, BS, or any misleading information on this forum and the fact that you cannot say that is convincing enough that I should not be wasting my time with you.

This is the first forum that I have seen a Vendor publicly show how intimidated he is of a little competition. You have shown how "low" you can be and I have not helped by replying to all your chilidish comments.

If you feel it necessary to engage in snide remarks in all of our threads then so be it. Post # 7 in this thread speaks volumes in my book and was where it crossed the line as far as I was concerned. We have many other things to get to and I know you have harnesses that need attending.

Good luck Shiv. Keep up the good work.

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by DrDomer

I found it. You hooked up pretty well (video). Drag slicks? After market exhaust? Trap speed 108.98. Cool.



Good to hear. More time will garner more enthusiasm. To be honest... whether it's AA or Shiv... you're all new to me. Proof is in the pudding.



Shiv's little race track deal was good publicity. I'm sure you guys will think of something.

All in all I'm sure the products are pretty equal. Seems Shiv squeezed a little more performance out of the 335i. Reliability is in favor of Shiv right now just because he's been at it longer, but time will tell. In a year the difference will be negligible if there's been no major issues either way. Looks like a good product.

He has drag radials on in the video.

I appreciate your honesty regarding Active Autowerke and if you have any other questions regarding any our company please feel free to PM Jean or myself or give us a call. Thanks again.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Active Autowerke

Shiv,

This is my last direct reply. I am a fool for assuming that all of potential customers are in the dark but apparently Jon F. has proved me wrong. There are many things out there that will come to light and I will not mention anything else regarding you or your business practices.

This is the first forum that I have seen a Vendor publicly show how intimidated he is of a little competition. You have shown how "low" you can be and I have not helped by replying to all your chilidish comments.

If you feel it necessary to engage in snide remarks in all of our threads then so be it. We have many other things to get to and I know you have harnesses that need attending.

Good luck Shiv. Keep up the good work.

Did you read your post before posting it? You call my actions "low" but, in the same post, you allude to some bad business practices (but give no details), agree with a hopelessly misinformed troll (who clearly is affiliated with a vendor) and refer to future snide remarks from me while given one of your own (regarding harness making). And you think I'm intimidated? Please stop before the walls of irony collapse on you.

shiv

[Omar@ActiveAutowerke]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Please stop before the walls of irony collapse on you.

shiv

Harnesses Shiv Harnesses. Stop with the threats please, its not professional.

[Jeff@Eurobahn.us]

Ouch!

For us getting dumped on for introducing a new product to the market is nothing new. First with Superchips then aFe Intakes and now with the Turbo Tuner. However in all cases we have stuck with the products and our level of customer service.

Superchips is now one of the biggest sellers for flash tuning in the US, aFe is the biggest competitor to K&N and in some categories blows them away and the Turbo Tuner is rapidly becoming a monster success.

But as a distributor we also need to accept that our products are not for everyone. An old sensei told me that "there will always be someone who is stronger, smarter, faster or just plain luckier than you are" The true test is how you deal with the challanges.

When people call us as happened yesturday and they have a complicated Tuning issue on a FI BMW I tell them to contact Karl @ AA. Why? Aren't they a competitor? Yes in some ways they are, but I know if I send them to AA they will get the help they need and perhaps the next time they need something WE do carry they will give us a call. This is what we call good business practice!

Active Auto is simply one of the best companies on the market for tuning of FI BMW's. I would dare say they have tuned more FI BMW's under their own name and by selling through other companies than many of the other companies combined. And although you can always find a few customers who feel they didn't get the product or service they were expecting, just about all of the AA customers I have heard from say they were very pleased with their experiece. There are a bunch of Eurobahn customers who purchased our Supercharger kits and then got tuned through AA. Those customers have all reported outstanding results.

Just my 2 cents, its a shame that this forum can't be one of information for the consumer :mad:

Jeff
Eurobahn Performance
(866) Euro-Power