[SIKH335]

Dzenno why are you bent on being such a Troll. I don't get it there are millions on miles on the Procede tune world wide and not a single blown motor. Shiv took the time to fix an issue that was specific to your car and yet your still bitching. Really get a life man. You can quote me and put any spin on my post you want but bottom line is your a forum STALKER. If you like Cobb run it be happy stop trying to be a hero even the OP doesn't want to hear your crap. And Themyst is just swinging from one of your nuts to the other. He regurgitates what he thinks is correct yet he doesn't know what is correct. I'm sure you will be inclined to talk crap to me after reading this post however you have no clue. I've seen your Dyno runs I've seen the hell you out your car through bottom line your a glory whore. Ohhhhh everyone look at me I can do 60-130 in 8.1 seconds, no matter what the cost you by nature have to win.

And you have met someone who can argue more than Shiv. Look in the mirror bud. Wake up and get a life.

[themyst]

What did I "think" was correct? Sounds like you're regurgitating Skydive's exact comment; a person who tries to give the illusion he has tuning experience but hasn't contributed a single log, nary a driving experience, but a lot of insults vehemently defending his tune of choice... so you might want to "look in the mirror" in regards to what you "think" is correct. If your car runs great, I'm happy for you.

Wasn't it you just 3-4 months ago privately crying about how the Procede just won't run right on your car, limping over and over and how you wanted to go GIAC? I guess things change when you have Shiv's personal attention.

Go review this thread from about four pages back and see how much Shiv chose to deflect and ignore in my questions to him. Then do the math. If you can't, then I feel bad for you.

[dzenno]

Lol ok great post SIKH, get a life or post another valuable one like that and you just might be banned for a while...who ever said this'll blow up a motor?

You clearly have no idea what you're even running on your car and probably never will given your post/attitude

Yes, I have modded my car and really do enjoy drag racing and just recently thought I'd try having some fun going up against hotrod's nitrous 60-130 times...

Shiv had a signature and many threads about drag racing with slips and glory dyno numbers but that's ok right?

And yes I'm a stalker, good job there! Lol

[SIKH335]

Little man you don't know me so you should stop being captin save a ho. I bought this car a few months ago and in a matter of a few months am FBO. Yes I had limp mode specific to my car this issue was resolved and haven't had a limp since. If you approach an issue like a man you can resolve it. Again the same misinformation you and you buddy like to spew. Just to be clear I had a conversation with a member on this forum who I bought a part from who was telling me to switch to GIAC. I told him that my background is with "M" cars and I expect a clean running well performing car. Based on that I told him if the limps were persistent I would look for another tune. Guess what little boy I'm still running Procede. Use some big boy deductive reasoning, why am I still with Procede. Hmmmmm no limps buddy. Get a life junior Troll

Originally Posted by themyst

What did I "think" was correct? Sounds like you're regurgitating Skydive's exact comment; a person who tries to give the illusion he has tuning experience but hasn't contributed a single log, nary a driving experience, but a lot of insults vehemently defending his tune of choice... so you might want to "look in the mirror" in regards to what you "think" is correct. If your car runs great, I'm happy for you.

Wasn't it you just 3-4 months ago privately crying about how the Procede just won't run right on your car, limping over and over and how you wanted to go GIAC? I guess things change when you have Shiv's personal attention.

Go review this thread from about four pages back and see how much Shiv chose to deflect and ignore in my questions to him. Then do the math. If you can't, then I feel bad for you.

[Skydive]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Skydive, get some logs and we'll talk...until then sayonara

Dear Rocket Scientist,

I ran a v2.0 Procede on my car, (a 6AT because I'm physically disabled and stuck with it), for a total of less than five miles. Did you miss that part?

My current tune which I've run for a couple of thousand miles is a v2.5 unit with PWM and maps which I have altered to taste on a car which does not have a misfire issue.

Even if I were to load up the first of the v2.5 maps and turn the meth off, we would be comparing apples to pomegranates.

...so, if I could, I would. (It would be an interesting history lesson for me, I suppose.) ...but I can't. The current stuff runs really quite nicely on my car. Even if it was "broken" back before you went elsewhere, it's fixed now as far as I can tell. What's the point of harping about the older stuff? Do you still complain about how slow your Windows 3.1 box was?

Oh... I won't have my car back 'til the end of the week. I guess I have till then to observe your histrionics.

-Michael

[OpenFlash]

I think if we just ignore dzenno and themyst from now on, we can save ourselves a lot of time to do something more productive. They can mutually satisfy each other. With that in mind, I leave you all with this gem. I think it's appropriate:

[themyst]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

Little man you don't know me so you should stop being captin save a ho. I bought this car a few months ago and in a matter of a few months am FBO. Yes I had limp mode specific to my car this issue was resolved and haven't had a limp since. If you approach an issue like a man you can resolve it. Again the same misinformation you and you buddy like to spew. Just to be clear I had a conversation with a member on this forum who I bought a part from who was telling me to switch to GIAC. I told him that my background is with "M" cars and I expect a clean running well performing car. Based on that I told him if the limps were persistent I would look for another tune. Guess what little boy I'm still running Procede. Use some big boy deductive reasoning, why am I still with Procede. Hmmmmm no limps buddy. Get a life junior Troll

Wow, rough day?

[SIKH335]

Banned ok so should I be scared that I could be banned. You jacked a thread that says Procede and nothing about Cobb Dzenno. Again this is not my first tea party nor do you know who I am or what I have in the garage. I know exactly what's in my car and like many many others am happy with it. So leave the Procede people alone. And keep you lol blah blah blahs to yourself.

[SIKH335]

Lol

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I think if we just ignore dzenno and themyst from now on, we can save ourselves a lot of time to do something more productive. They can mutually satisfy each other. With that in mind, I leave you all with this gem. I think it's appropriate:

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by Skydive

Dear Rocket Scientist,

I ran a v2.0 Procede on my car, (a 6AT because I'm physically disabled and stuck with it), for a total of less than five miles. Did you miss that part?

My current tune which I've run for a couple of thousand miles is a v2.5 unit with PWM and maps which I have altered to taste on a car which does not have a misfire issue.

Even if I were to load up the first of the v2.5 maps and turn the meth off, we would be comparing apples to pomegranates.

...so, if I could, I would. (It would be an interesting history lesson for me, I suppose.) ...but I can't. The current stuff runs really quite nicely on my car. Even if it was "broken" back before you went elsewhere, it's fixed now as far as I can tell. What's the point of harping about the older stuff? Do you still complain about how slow your Windows 3.1 box was?

Oh... I won't have my car back 'til the end of the week. I guess I have till then to observe your histrionics.

-Michael

Rocket scientist? Not really brain surgery is it?

I never said use rev2, just log your CURRENT, start at 2k rpm in 3rd and do a full 3-4 pull showing AFR post shift on full boost...and drop the insults, we're talking about datalogs lol

[dzenno]

Originally Posted by SIKH335

Banned ok so should I be scared that I could be banned. You jacked a thread that says Procede and nothing about Cobb Dzenno. Again this is not my first tea party nor do you know who I am or what I have in the garage. I know exactly what's in my car and like many many others am happy with it. So leave the Procede people alone. And keep you lol blah blah blahs to yourself.

I didn't jack anything see my first post...you think you know what you're running lol and as far as ban keep in mind this forum is intended for technical discussion not feelings that you need to keep for your girlfriend, if you have/know what those are lol

[themyst]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Rocket scientist? Not really brain surgery is it?

I never said use rev2, just log your CURRENT, start at 2k rpm in 3rd and do a full 3-4 pull showing AFR post shift on full boost...and drop the insults, we're talking about datalogs lol

dzenno, I dunno why so mad! Remember the old Procede vs JB3 wars from '09? I don't think the JB3 guys ever were as hostile as these Procede guys are.

And Shiv gave you all good advice. Ignore us! You too Shiv.

[dzenno]

Shiv, very professional lol instead of scaling that log 10-16 instead of 10-40 you chose to show some office pics...that you and Robert dude?

[Skydive]

Originally Posted by themyst

Skydive:

As I previously stated, as long as secondary logging tools verify a flash tune's output, there is no issue. e.g. mechanical boost gauge for boost, external wideband for AFR, etc. Nothing wrong with manipulating sensors to get desired results as long as the logging output is accurate.

You completely misunderstand the point... but I think you've done so on purpose perhaps. We won't know how well Cobb can manage the manipulation until they actually do it, and even then you'll see a variance among outboard boost sensors and the calibration of the tools used to show the output of those sensors. I dare say that managing this manipulation with a pressure scale is a heck of a lot less complex than it is done with AFR though, so perhaps this isn't a perfect analogue.

Thank you though for pointing out the variance in AFR at shift time issues between the 6AT and 6MT. This is a valid point of differentiation, and one I hadn't considered. It doesn't apply for me. (On some level, I wish it did.)

-Michael

[SIKH335]

Ummmmmmm I think you said clearly below and I quote "that AFR might cost you your engine" I'm not a super tuner like you but I think that means blown motor. Could you chime in cause I need you to save me on this one. What does it all mean

Originally Posted by dzenno

dude, great gains but that AFR might cost you your engine...its really really REALLY lean for the boost levels you had to hit for those numbers...

[dzenno]

Sikh you win

Hey Shiv, here's a great new avatar, should work well for u

[SIKH335]

This guy is the next seinfeild what a joke.

Originally Posted by dzenno

I didn't jack anything see my first post...you think you know what you're running lol and as far as ban keep in mind this forum is intended for technical discussion not feelings that you need to keep for your girlfriend, if you have/know what those are lol

[themyst]

Originally Posted by Skydive

You completely misunderstand the point... but I think you've done so on purpose perhaps. We won't know how well Cobb can manage the manipulation until they actually do it, and even then you'll see a variance among outboard boost sensors and the calibration to the tools used to show the output of those sensors. I dare say that managing this manipulation with a pressure scale is a heck of a lot less complex than it done with AFR though, so perhaps this isn't a perfect analogue.

Thank you though for pointing out the variance in AFR at shift time issues between the 6AT and 6MT. This is a valid point of differentiation, and one I hadn't considered. It doesn't apply for me. (On some level, I wish it did.)

-Michael

Users with mechanical boost gauges are fairly common. If the actual boost is incorrect on the AP handheld, there will be plenty of users stating as such. In regards to its current state, Cobb clearly indicated that it is a known issue and will be addressed as such. In the meantime, a mechanical boost gauge or the "req. boost" logging parameter on the AP will allow you to see what actual boost is.

I suspect this boost output issue will be rectified sooner rather than later; Cobb indicated ATR is getting close to release.

[tibra1]

I cant belive these wars are still springing up ..its like a replay of the same tired arguments ..same players..over and over...what are we even debating here..the simple fact is that there will more instances of limps w piggys then with a proper reflash ..period..and the only reason I am posting here is I was referenced.. albeit indirectly..

If you guys r happy w the piggys then

The logical progression of tuning this platform is geared towards moving away from piggys towards reflashes..especially now that there are a couple of high power ones..Cobb is popular now for the obvious reason that the forum wants smthing w resale value and ease of "self" install/removal..it is what it is..

A more refined tune than GIAC stg 2 i have not found .. tons of power coupled with reliabilty and no codes/issues..I could careless that I cant sell it..I dont want to sell it..again to each their own and good luck w/ ur tuning goals whichever route u take..

BTW anyone wanting to take a ride and see how my biatch is running in 60 degrees ambient is welcome.. Beastly..I am done power moddin..my focus is suspension now which is the other half of the equation and sadly overlooked too frequently.

[SIKH335]

Tibra how would Themyst know about our private conversation?

Originally Posted by tibra1

I cant belive these wars are still springing up ..its like a replay of the same tired arguments ..same players..over and over...what are we even debating here..the simple fact is that there will more instances of limps w piggys then with a proper reflash ..period..and the only reason I am posting here is I was referenced.. albeit indirectly..

If you guys r happy w the piggys then

The logical progression of tuning this platform is geared towards moving away from piggys towards reflashes..especially now that there are a couple of high power ones..Cobb is popular now for the obvious reason that the forum wants smthing w resale value..it is what it is..

A more refined tune than GIAC stg 2 i have not found .. tons of power coupled with reliabilty and no codes/issues..I could careless that I cant sell it..I dont want to sell it..again to each their own and good luck w/ ur tuning goals whichever route u take..

BTW anyone wanting to take a ride and see how my biatch is running in 60 degrees ambient is welcome.. Beastly..I am done power moddin..my focus is suspension now which is the other half of the equation and sadly overlooked too frequently.

[OpenFlash]

Just to satisfy Dzenno one last time:



compared to boom's Cobb log with similar scaling:

[Skydive]

Originally Posted by dzenno

Rocket scientist? Not really brain surgery is it?

I never said use rev2, just log your CURRENT, start at 2k rpm in 3rd and do a full 3-4 pull showing AFR post shift on full boost...and drop the insults, we're talking about datalogs lol

Ahhh.... but at the moment I'm not running unaltered DME code underneath either. I know a thing or three about a couple of tools that are outside of the realm of most of the users on these forums, so far. (They are, however, not uncommon in a more general sense, among a lot of very smart folks. I'm still learning my way around with this particular platform, and finding a nexus with the Procede is my current endeavor.)

When my car is back in my garage and I have a some time to put my ECU on the bench again, I might flash it stock and and pull some logs for you, but that's not going to happen this week or next. I'll have to get REALLY bored first, because it's at least a couple of hours work for which I have no real purpose, and I've said more than I want to already.

-Michael