[Lane]

Did Shiv take Hotrod's offer to go and inspect the car?

If not, it seems to me that Shiv does not believe his nitrous claim even himself.

[BMW_TT]

Originally Posted by Lane

Did Shiv take Hotrod's offer to go and inspect the car?

If not, it seems to me that Shiv does not believe his nitrous claim even himself.

I don't think he updated us on that. I'm guessing no?

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by Lane

Did Shiv take Hotrod's offer to go and inspect the car?

If not, it seems to me that Shiv does not believe his nitrous claim even himself.

wasnt shiv tied up yesterday w/ that taste test thing? I'm out of the loop.

[Lane]

Hotrod asked Shiv to come by after that while in town.

[Mr. 5]

Originally Posted by GAaaAR

Recently after putting some more miles on his E92, he has confirmed that they are now pretty similiar in terms of performance now. With a slight edge on the launch for the E90 and a slight edge on trap speed for the E92.

Yes, but I've noticed lately that it seems as though a non sport 335 is quicker in the 1/4 than a sport package.
The non sport has a bit softer springs which lets the car shift a bit during the start which creates better traction.

the more I think about it, this is one of the reasons why I had such a hard time the other day.
I now have the performance suspension, M3 links, cross brace, M3 strut brace, etc.
I also had the back seats out.

I pretty much screwed myself with the 1/4 by doing all of that stuff, but it's much more of a track car.
I'm really happy on the track and that's where the real fun is.
Tradeoffs...

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Sniz

wasnt shiv tied up yesterday w/ that taste test thing? I'm out of the loop.

+1
What's is funny is how some people overlooked that the point of a tech inspection is to inspect right after the "abnormal performance" is displayed. Not a day later. After all, post-race tech inspections are conducted after the car pits from the race track. In this case, the drag strip is closed for the year so doing a tech inspection there isn't possible. Nor is it very feasible considering that it's 200 miles away.

And meeting up on the road somewhere that day, as hotrod suggested, isn't feasible either because there is no solid way to test if the car is still making the same power as it was when he ran 117+mph traps. So then inspecting it and finding nothing doesn't tell us anything. Forget the whole thing about me hosting a BMW meet. Hotrod knew I wasn't going to take that bait anyway.

So the idea was simple. Hotrod was invited to the big BMW meet at the dyno shop, offered $750 to show that is car is indeed a "factory freak". If it puts down the same power as other "tune only" 335s put down, then people can guess for themselves how his trap speeds are as fast as they are. This dyno has been used by several members on this forum. They have a massive 80mph fan. The results would have been perfectly valid.

If it did put down anywhere close to the power required to run those traps, then I would be allowed to inspect the car for nitrous. If I couldn't find it, he would walk away $750 richer and make my eat my words in front of everyone. It certainly would have promoted what his tune was capable of in front (during a PROcede taste test day no less). I was hoping that would have been enough incentive but I guess not.

His excuse was the dyno was not necessary and that an on-the-road Vbox test would have sufficed. If that were the case, why did Terry's car VBOX at over 120mph and run only 116-117mph at the track on the very same day hotrod ran his car? Maybe the Vbox was only accurate on Hotrod's car. Or maybe he just has something to hide. Why he would agree to do that and not be willing to accept my dyno offer and publicly prove me wrong and make $750 in the process is for you do decide.

Cheers,
shiv

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

Yes im interested myself to see if Shiv took Hotrod up on his offer as well. I mean Shiv was calling him out why should Hotrod have to go out of his way.
All that banter yesterday made Shiv come off as completely childish.. Excellent PR for the Vishnu products if i might add

I was ready for him last night. Even offered for him to bring the fuel. I thought it would have been great fun. Make some runs for him, and let him inspect my car with his microscope. Never did hear from him. Famoso was on the way to LA. My house was basically on his way back to the Bay Area...couldn't get any more convenient than that.

If Shiv can't find a nitrous bottle, I would have provided him with another bottle more appropriate for him!

And Shiv, when Terry shows 120mph on the Vbox, that is a solid 118-119mph run, I guarantee that. If you want, I can display the Vbox times vs this weeks drag strip times. Again, do you think the GPS satellites don't track accurately in this part of the county or something? Terrys car obviously could have done better than he did at the track this weekend. But still good enough for fastest/quickest 135i. You could have brought a radar gun or whatever if you didn't trust my Vbox. Get real. There have already been several posts in this thread that makes things equate, but I am not going to add them up for you. I will let you figure it out by yourself.

Also, why don't you watch the video of the V3 coupe running against me. It is not just the Peak HP at the top of his gears (where he surges even) that wins the race, it is the steady torque/power everwhere else that has my constantly reeling him in.


Here the video is again:

Oh, about the video comments SHIV, I did not condone or promote any of them

[dmboone25]

I wish the two of you could have met up. It would have been nice to see what kind of numbers Hotrod's car put down.

I, like many others have stated, would have driven the 100 miles to where Shiv was located. After all, $750 is still $750.

And, even if Hotrod would not have hit 400 HP, at least an inspection could have revealed that he was not running any kind of nitrous.

That being said, I can completely believe that his car is a "factory freak". I have driven cars that got the short end of the stick as well--it isnt always a good thing. And if that is the case, the tune wouldn't seem to matter to me all that much--the simple fact would be that Hotrod's car is simply much stronger than the average 335.

I think Shiv should send him a PnP V3, as a courtesy, for a weekend or something, and see if Hotrod can achieve similar results. Would certainly clear the air a little.

Great times regardless.

[NM_BMW]

Who gives up a FREE dyno run and $750?

[Lane]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

And meeting up on the road somewhere that day, as hotrod suggested, isn't feasible either because there is no solid way to test if the car is still making the same power as it was when he ran 117+mph traps. So then inspecting it and finding nothing doesn't tell us anything.

If it puts down the same power as other "tune only" 335s put down, then people can guess for themselves how his trap speeds are as fast as they are.

His excuse was the dyno was not necessary and that an on-the-road Vbox test would have sufficed.

Hotrod (and other VBox testing) has shown VBox to be accurate. Testing the traps either at the track, as Hotrod suggested to begin with, or by the VBox on the road, are the true measurements for traps. Guessing trap speed from a dyno graph is a very poor method in comparison.

Based on the dynos posted here, his tune has generally more mid range power than Procede, so I don't believe 400whp is needed for those traps at those temperatures.

Just go and see his trap either on the track or measured by VBox close to his place and inspect the car on the spot.

[AlpineG05]

Originally Posted by Humtek

Who gives up a FREE dyno run and $750?

i'm guessing, someone who doesn't need it?

[Vyruz Reaper]

why not offer shiv 5000 to go see him at his place? ill put my money on it

and when shiv doesnt go, then what does that prove? nothing.

[NM_BMW]

Originally Posted by Alpine 335i

i'm guessing, someone who doesn't need it?

I guess so. If it was me I would have gone just for the dyno run, but that's just me.

[getInline]

Great run hotrod! Assuming all is legit, anyone who thinks a tune is responsible is an idiot, it would be HotRod182's car that is responsible and not whatever tune he happens to be running.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Vyruz Reaper

why not offer shiv 5000 to go see him at his place? ill put my money on it

and when shiv doesnt go, then what does that prove? nothing.

You really don't get it. The inspection is meaningless without the dyno or some form of controller hp test. Basically something to prove that his car is indeed a "factory freak." Having a live unbiased audience to make sure everything is on the up and up doesn't hurt either. Hence the reasoning for him to come down to the BMW meet. This whole counter-offer for us to meet halfway is meaningless and he knew that. Not to mention the fact that I was tuning cars at MD until 8.30pm.

Shiv

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Wait, he is running a tune and doesn't have a boost guage, thats insane in my eyes especially the numbers he is putting up not seeing what his boost is!!!

Being the owner of a Proceede tune I can understand why you would say that Just a joke, seriousy.
For you guys basically calling Hotrod out as a liar

http://www.personal-development.com/...oming-envy.htm

[ohsnapITZe92]

Originally Posted by imoksoami

Being the owner of a Proceede tune I can understand why you would say that Just a joke, seriousy.
For you guys basically calling Hotrod out as a liar

http://www.personal-development.com/...oming-envy.htm

hahah well that was weird??? lol strange enough you have that link saved. jk...

[imoksoami]

Originally Posted by ohsnapITZe92

hahah well that was weird??? lol strange enough you have that link saved. jk...

Page 1 of google. Or I have issues, take your pick.

[dtg]

Ok, I'm new here but I'm certainly not new to tuned cars and at the risk of getting flamed by Shiv and others, I have to say this...

Shiv, I'm sure you're a great tuner and your history with the EVOs speaks for itself but you're not really winning any new customers by spending your time arguing pointless crap like this. It makes your product look weak when you feel the need to point people out.

I have no loyalty to either you or Terry but here is my experience as a potential customer.... I emailed Terry at least 12 times and he responded to each email within minutes and answered all my questions in a prompt and objective manner.

I also PM'd you at least a week ago asking you about your product and you have not yet responded to me.

Perhaps your product is better than the JB3 but to a new user like myself and many others, your lack of response speaks alot louder than the dyno numbers and track results.

Personally, I think your product is more complete than the JB3 but you make it difficult for me to buy your product if you don't even respond to my questions and you instead spend your time here making wagers and bets to prove a point that really makes very little difference in the real world... the real world where your product is supposed to have the edge (as you advertise).

I would like to be your customer and a loyal one at that, but you're making it difficult with what you're doing here.

That's my two cents. Good luck.

[GGreek5]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I was ready for him last night. Even offered for him to bring the fuel. I thought it would have been great fun. Make some runs for him, and let him inspect my car with his microscope. Never did hear from him. Famoso was on the way to LA. My house was basically on his way back to the Bay Area...couldn't get any more convenient than that.

If Shiv can't find a nitrous bottle, I would have provided him with another bottle more appropriate for him!

And Shiv, when Terry shows 120mph on the Vbox, that is a solid 118-119mph run, I guarantee that. If you want, I can display the Vbox times vs this weeks drag strip times. Again, do you think the GPS satellites don't track accurately in this part of the county or something? Terrys car obviously could have done better than he did at the track this weekend. But still good enough for fastest/quickest 135i. You could have brought a radar gun or whatever if you didn't trust my Vbox. Get real. There have already been several posts in this thread that makes things equate, but I am not going to add them up for you. I will let you figure it out by yourself.

Also, why don't you watch the video of the V3 coupe running against me. It is not just the Peak HP at the top of his gears (where he surges even) that wins the race, it is the steady torque/power everwhere else that has my constantly reeling him in.


Here the video is again:

Oh, about the video comments SHIV, I did not condone or promote any of them

Hot Rod great numbers man. Your car is a beast. And Shiv, too bad about you not being able to inspect his car. It must be killing you!!

[NM_BMW]

Originally Posted by dtg

Ok, I'm new here but I'm certainly not new to tuned cars and at the risk of getting flamed by Shiv and others, I have to say this...

Shiv, I'm sure you're a great tuner and your history with the EVOs speaks for itself but you're not really winning any new customers by spending your time arguing pointless crap like this. It makes your product look weak when you feel the need to point people out.

I have no loyalty to either you or Terry but here is my experience as a potential customer.... I emailed Terry at least 12 times and he responded to each email within minutes and answered all my questions in a prompt and objective manner.

I also PM'd you at least a week ago asking you about your product and you have not yet responded to me.

Perhaps your product is better than the JB3 but to a new user like myself and many others, your lack of response speaks alot louder than the dyno numbers and track results.

Personally, I think your product is more complete than the JB3 but you make it difficult for me to buy your product if you don't even respond to my questions and you instead spend your time here making wagers and bets to prove a point that really makes very little difference in the real world... the real world where your product is supposed to have the edge (as you advertise).

I would like to be your customer and a loyal one at that, but you're making it difficult with what you're doing here.

That's my two cents. Good luck.

Try emailing Shiv over PM. You'll get a response a lot faster or you could try emailing Dustin. Either one of those guys can answer you questions.

[Nikolas]

Not to stir the pot, but how would verifying the power on the dyno prove anything. I have seen 500 whp cars that fail big time at the track. I would have thought the Vbox with an actual drive on the road would have made more sense. I'm surprised Shiv felt the dyno was a better test when just two weeks ago he said:

"Dynos are great tools to see what your car is putting to the ground once max load is reached but they don't tell you how often/consistently/quickly your car reaches max load when you are actually driving on the road when you aren't doing a single gear pull from 2k rpm and up.

I think mote will have something interesting to say after he gets more seat time with the rev2 beta map (something only 4 or 5 people are running right now). But that's for another thread.

Shiv"