[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Are you a lawyer?......because your twist on words makes it hard to maintain factual information from fiction. Firstly, I've been around on these forums a lot longer than based on your assumptions. Secondly I have had every Procede that Shiv ever released for the N54 and I have never drilled any holes. The fact that it always had solid state electronics rather than just a bunch of resistors is the reason that its power demand asked for a proper power supply.


Maybe it's best we rewind back to late 2006/2007 where Terry was just a user and not a N54 tuner on these very forums. You want to know why he was really banned?........here is one example of his obnoxious behaviour on E90Post.
Terry was going out of his way trying his best to bring down every Procede forum, trying to gather information from Shiv because he wanted to prove he could create his own competitive tune. He even went so far as reading the then un-encrypted Procede tuner's code and exposing it on these forums for anyone with the knowledge to simulate and make an exact copy of the tune..............rmdvrs is that ethical???

Before people blurt out and spout whatever knowledge they think they have on this subject, I think it's best for all of you to do some research here. I find it very hard to acknowledge anything Terry has acheived up to this point because of his past attitude on these forums. Yes he has succeeded and he is improving his tune but maybe he should be more humble about the direction his tune is taking because they are not his ideas.

I apologise fully for taking this thread off topic .....I won't be doing it again.
Looking forward to what can be improved upon for our N54 tunes road ahead.

LOL I wish you trolls would get out of my thread. But wasn't that when Shiv claimed the PROCede was not identical to the Haltech Interceptor despite the obvious similarities. So Terry, Rick and others showed the firmware had Haltech written in it and if you opened and saved his map you could open it in the Haltech interface program?

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

Terry is the one that suggested using that method to be able to open it, but actually (unfortunately) I *think* I was the first one to actually do it... lol

A lot can change in over 3 years... get over it people.

In your professional opinion how much of that hex code do you think made it in to the resistor based Terry Tuner / JB1?

Mike

[yandy]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Like I said I'll give updates as I'm able to. I didn't say wait 3-4 months for the next update. I said that is the time frame for this upgrade being ready for public testing. I'll be adding to my first post as time goes on. I think people familiar with piggybacks can get a pretty good feeling of at least the basics from the teaser photos.

Mike

My apologies Mike, I interpreted a different way. However I will get out of your thread, wouldn't want to be considered a troll because I'm asking questions or running another tune at the moment.

Look forward to at least reading the updates.

[cuban335i]

i hope this upgrade will make the jb3 more advanced than the procede, not just on a similar or less technologically advanced level... or i'm switching to procede

[Bagelfast]

Originally Posted by cn555ic

Steve

BMS claims speed limiter defeat is useless and will be detected by dealership...only then after a few months has a upgrade for speed limiter

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...limiter+defeat


I remember this and i think just now within the last month he has had the speed limiter remover up for sale.
I wanted this actually, and he was really aganist it and saying that your warranty will have a problem with this mod if i do past 155mph.. But there was so many customers with such a big thread that he basically had to reply with making a seperate device to remove the limiter, and even today he advises people not to use it.

Terry stating throttle closure of Procede, next thing you know he implements it also

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...timing+control


This has been a long debate, and debated about many times. But not exactly looking for this for my question.

Terry stating Canbus and canbus code clearing is useless compared to BT tool (post 24), which I am sure BT tool will be obsolete once JB incorporates Can into their tune
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...ghlight=canbus

Im going to read that whole thread, but from post 24 alone, i dont see much about him really putting down/saying it is useless, the CAN, but def saying Bt cable>CAN for codes, etc. But i did find this after looking for my answer and asking Terry, he posted this on another forum besides his just yesterday when asked about CAN and TIMING control etc.

Terry claiming timing control is being used in JB tune which in fact we all now know its not controlled by the JB tune, but I am sure with canbus upgrade for JB it will be implemented then

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showth...cps+offsetting

Long debate aswell, many people will agree to disagree. I see where your going with this but this aswell wasnt what i was looking for but i get your point your making.

Terry claimed logging and user adjustables were useless and it would lead to user error, only to find him implement a loggable chart a year later and allow his users to make changes, which IMO isn't even clear because it doesn't log fast enough!
This was just five minutes of searching over there...Really isn't hard to find but since I met you a couple of times, I just wanted you to read it yourself....I am not a fan of a tune and realize competition is the best for consumers, but I want to buy a product that states the truth!

BOLD^

Thanks alot for the post, man i appreciate it alot!!!
Lets get a photoshoot going soon man.. Hit me up, maybe we can get together with Alan I. and have a small meet in bay ridge and grab some coffee and cars

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by cuban335i

i hope this upgrade will make the jb3 more advanced than the procede, not just on a similar or less technologically advanced level... or i'm switching to procede

I think you'll be impressed. But don't let me stop you from switching if you don't want to wait a few months for more features. These systems are all so cheap now there is no reason you can't own all three of the major ones if you want.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by yandyr

My apologies Mike, I interpreted a different way. However I will get out of your thread, wouldn't want to be considered a troll because I'm asking questions or running another tune at the moment.

Look forward to at least reading the updates.

When I said troll I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to people who have never run a JB3 and are clearly here just to bash.

Mike

[Jake@MOTIV]

Im beta testing for the new update on the standback from cp-e and I had a jb3 and procede before. The standback has far more features than both (it is canbus). Im really excited to see terry's newest tune as I really like dealing with him. He's just a really good guy (i don't know about all the past drama i can only comment on how he treats me i guess). But bar none the standback has the coolest features built in. It literally changes how your entire dash works!

[scalbert]

Glad to see and hear BMS doing a proper design.

But dang, this means I won't be able to make fun of the board design any longer.

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

I was referring to people who have never run a JB3 and are clearly here just to bash.

Phew, I was worried about being lumped in but I have run a JB3 before.

On the other hand, some do like to discuss but unfortunately others sometimes take it as bashing; not directed at you Mike.

Now for the real question, when are some of the secret features going to be revealed?

[kennejp]

Mike-you asked for feedback on what we would like. I am in no way a tuner but just from reading all the recent threads and esp enertias threads I think terry should put some kind of ign control on this board. I know you guys say that it is not needed but Shiv seems to think it is pretty important and it would make me feel better running meth etc. Also any extra fail safes always are the most important. Lastly, is there some way that we could get the 18ohm resistors without having to soldering them on? Thanks

BTW- I too have driven with both tunes-my best friend has the procede v4 and we both like the power of mine more. I just have a tune and intake while he has downpipes/intake/axle back/procede not to mention MT tranny and we are dead even. I do like the features he has on his and think the code clearing and some of the other options (autotuning) is pretty cool but just did not see it necessary. I bought the BT cable and Rixter boost gauge and have been fine. Both have a lot to offer (yes procede does have more items but to me not necessary ones). Like everyone has said I love the competition because it makes the products better and prices lower!

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by kennejp

I know you guys say that it is not needed but Shiv seems to think it is pretty important and it would make me feel better running meth etc.

Just a little clarification on this point. It isn't just Shiv, it is the overwhelming majority of the turning community that knows that timing should be retarded as boost is increased.

I am also glad to see BMS finally incorporating it.

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by kennejp

Mike-you asked for feedback on what we would like. I am in no way a tuner but just from reading all the recent threads and esp enertias threads I think terry should put some kind of ign control on this board. I know you guys say that it is not needed but Shiv seems to think it is pretty important and it would make me feel better running meth etc. Also any extra fail safes always are the most important. Lastly, is there some way that we could get the 18ohm resistors without having to soldering them on? Thanks

BTW- I too have driven with both tunes-my best friend has the procede v4 and we both like the power of mine more. I just have a tune and intake while he has downpipes/intake/axle back/procede not to mention MT tranny and we are dead even. I do like the features he has on his and think the code clearing and some of the other options (autotuning) is pretty cool but just did not see it necessary. I bought the BT cable and Rixter boost gauge and have been fine. Both have a lot to offer (yes procede does have more items but to me not necessary ones). Like everyone has said I love the competition because it makes the products better and prices lower!

The new board has an advance limiter. Which is what passes for timing control on this forum. On the boost control you'll have a few easy to move between options depending on your personal needs. Cool stuff.

Mike

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by scalbert

Just a little clarification on this point. It isn't just Shiv, it is the overwhelming majority of the turning community that knows that timing should be retarded as boost is increased.

I am also glad to see BMS finally incorporating it.

You're joking right? Timing has always been retarded as boost goes up. It's virtually impossible for it not to go down on this application.

Mike

[scalbert]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You're joking right? Timing has always been retarded as boost goes up. It's virtually impossible for it not to go down on this application.

Mike

You know specifically what I meant. Some tunes do not add additional retard as boost increases beyond stock levels. And again, this has been hashed out many times.

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by Alpine 335i

Why is this thread flooded with bullshit?

Seriously.. If I had been posting what cn555ci had been postingbut played towards the other foot. My post would have been deleted in a matter of minutes.

[WOPALX]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

You're joking right? Timing has always been retarded as boost goes up. It's virtually impossible for it not to go down on this application.

Mike

Just so I understand your saying JB3's timing method is retarded

Sorry could not resist..

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by scalbert

You know specifically what I meant. Some tunes do not add additional retard as boost increases beyond stock levels. And again, this has been hashed out many times.

I'm just pointing out that the JB3 or any non-CPS tune is not physically capable of running the stock timing curve at higher boost levels. Timing always drops proportionally to boost, IAT, octane, etc. And unless your ECU is seeing 10 degrees advance in the midrange and 14 degrees at higher RPM your tune IS riding the knock threshold system. It's always just been a matter of degree. Is riding the system 5 degrees worse than riding it 2 degrees? And on that many disagree.

Mike

[rmdvrs]

Originally Posted by Sparky66

Are you a lawyer?......because your twist on words makes it hard to maintain factual information from fiction. Firstly, I've been around on these forums a lot longer than based on your assumptions. Secondly I have had every Procede that Shiv ever released for the N54 and I have never drilled any holes. The fact that it always had solid state electronics rather than just a bunch of resistors is the reason that its power demand asked for a proper power supply.

No actually in my profession ethics plays a big role so trust me when I say I know the difference between ethical and unethical (I've taken the hippocratic oath). It isn't my twist on words. It is the truth and just cause I can put a coherent sentence together doesn't mean I am trying to twist words. Proper power supply? That almost sounds like you are implying that the JB doesn't and so I will let you explain to me how that is so since you have a "better" understanding of the JB as well as the inner "obnoxious" workings of Terry.


Maybe it's best we rewind back to late 2006/2007 where Terry was just a user and not a N54 tuner on these very forums. You want to know why he was really banned?........here is one example of his obnoxious behaviour on E90Post.
Terry was going out of his way trying his best to bring down every Procede forum, trying to gather information from Shiv because he wanted to prove he could create his own competitive tune. He even went so far as reading the then un-encrypted Procede tuner's code and exposing it on these forums for anyone with the knowledge to simulate and make an exact copy of the tune..............rmdvrs is that ethical???

Then by your logic what the devteam did to the iphone or what android did is unethical. That's called R&D. In todays world there is very little that is invented that is new. Rather most things are improved upon and that is done with lots of research to see what exists, what can be improved and what can be done to bring a better product to the people. Terry wanted to do that cause of the way Shiv was talking to him so don't blame a guy for becoming proactive and proving the other person wrong when he gets called out. Maybe a lesser man would have bowed down and accepted things and moved on but it's people like Terry that bring the competition to the world that in turn gets us a better product. Imagine if google had just said we can't do it better than apple. Or if the devteam said no we don't need to jailbreak and unlock the iphone, who needs a phone that does cool stuff, apple knows whats best. Where would we be right now?

Before people blurt out and spout whatever knowledge they think they have on this subject, I think it's best for all of you to do some research here. I find it very hard to acknowledge anything Terry has acheived up to this point because of his past attitude on these forums. Yes he has succeeded and he is improving his tune but maybe he should be more humble about the direction his tune is taking because they are not his ideas.

Then you would have a hard time acknowledging Google, Geohot, Devteam, etc... the list can go on. Humble? Have you ever talked to Terry. He as humble as they come and I hate to break it to you but it is his tune as much as it would have been yours if you came up with the idea whether from scratch or a starting point from previous work. Google came up with android after trying to do better than apple so does that mean its not their idea?

No I'm not an android or apple fanboy. I own an iphone but can recognize things for what they are. Both are good products just like both JB and Procede are which I have said in other posts.

I apologise fully for taking this thread off topic .....I won't be doing it again.
Looking forward to what can be improved upon for our N54 tunes road ahead.

No need to apologize just don't bash things cause if this were a Procede thread and I was doing the bashing you would be quick to tell me what I'm doing is wrong and to let the work speak for itself. Making blanket statements like onbnoxious attitude doesn't get anyone anywhere cause I am sure there are people who would say the same of the other camp. Keep it to the facts and don't get personal. I just don't see a point in people (not just you) always bashing threads like these and then turning around and defending/praising them when it applies to there product. It's hipacritical which is why you don't catch be ever bashing anything the procede does.

[rmdvrs]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

LOL I wish you trolls would get out of my thread.

+1
lets keep the trolls out and the topic moving. What king of new things do people want?

But wasn't that when Shiv claimed the PROCede was not identical to the Haltech Interceptor despite the obvious similarities.

This Mike by others means you are an innovator with your own ideas as long as it's not Terry doing it. Then it becomes unethical and unoriginal.

So Terry, Rick and others showed the firmware had Haltech written in it and if you opened and saved his map you could open it in the Haltech interface program?

This by definition means competition and when you get too high on your pedestal people don't like that and call it a bad thing rather than competition. It's just funny to me cause alot of this reminds me of apple versus android and all the iphone unlocking/jailbreaking stuff. Maybe that's why I keep on using them as an example.

Mike

Wait till they see some of the things that are coming Mike.

[rmdvrs]

Lets all keep in mind that if it wasn't for Terry and Shiv we would be spending alot more money on Dinan and Helix and dealing with warranty issues and throwing codes that we can't clear. They are the pioneers that brought us to were we are today and we would all do well to remember that rather than be quick to judge.

[Belarus]

Originally Posted by JPSlick

how bout wireless meth
jk lol

idea, but would be worrisome to me on the reliability of signal going up & down like a toilet sit and consequences...