[Give_Em_The_DD]

I was just curious if anybody had any updates on this. I know there were talks over the last few years, any news or did they scrap the idea?

[135Pats]

Vaporware

['___']

Given the retail price of single kits and the Vargas big twins, cp-e should get back on it. I think they were estimating 11k for their kit. Which given the price of Vargas s3's, 11k would be worth it for a better setup.

[3000GT MR]

Originally Posted by ___

Given the retail price of single kits and the Vargas big twins, cp-e should get back on it. I think they were estimating 11k for their kit. Which given the price of Vargas s3's, 11k would be worth it for a better setup.

Yeah and it probably wouldn't take 6 years, 10 fabricators, and lots of deposits to make it happen either

[Ovitrix335]

Originally Posted by ___

Given the retail price of single kits and the Vargas big twins, cp-e should get back on it. I think they were estimating 11k for their kit. Which given the price of Vargas s3's, 11k would be worth it for a better setup.

I think cpe was close to 13-14k when i last heard anything. I could be wrong....

['___']

Originally Posted by Ovitrix335

I think cpe was close to 13-14k when i last heard anything. I could be wrong....

You're guess is as good as mine.

[Ovitrix335]

Anything over 10k it'll be hard to sell. To many options for n54 turbo kit these days
The more the better

[HeavyMetalRocker]

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Yeah and it probably wouldn't take 6 years, 10 fabricators, and lots of deposits to make it happen either

+1

Has Vargas actually sold anything AND shipped to a customer besides stg 1 & 2 turbos?... which I have yet to see solid numbers or reviews on?!

[Tony@vargasturbotech]

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Yeah and it probably wouldn't take 6 years, 10 fabricators, and lots of deposits to make it happen either

We appreciate the kind words. Lets look at the facts.We have actually been involved in the N54 platform less than 2 years, in this time have pushed N54 turbochargers harder and further than anyone, not too mention finding time for the N55's. In this short time we have held just about every record for both platforms, and mined more real world data than any other company selling turbo upgrades for the N54 bar NONE. Yet you have people that sit on the sidelines and complain because a kit has taken longer than expected. Everyone waiting for stage 3 is doing so by choice. Everyone who made a deposit was offered a 100% no questions asked refund, and anyone still waiting can do the same at anytime. Yet, we still have these sort of misinformed posts. What can you do, nothing but keep working and ignore the haters. Cheers guys

[glachhman]

At bimmerfest they told me 15k and it'll be ready in a few months.

[Julian2485]

Originally Posted by glachhman

At bimmerfest they told me 15k and it'll be ready in a few months.

15k that's a new car lol

[TRTuned]

I will be personally am looking forward to what you will unleash in the near future. Keep up your awesome work we'll just keep boosting hard bro. Fabricating a kit is one thing but we all got to keep customer safety in mind always for these type of reason can cause delays. I build classic muscle cars for a living so i have an idea of what you go through. Just keep doing your thing.

[135Pats]

$15K does seem rather steep unless it comes with fueling as well. Not outrageous, but certainly not much of a value prop.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by Julian2485

15k that's a new car lol

How much do the guys with an M3 pay for forced induction upgrades ?

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

How much do the guys with an M3 pay for forced induction upgrades ?

ESS Superchargers starts at $7000 but that not exactly apples to apples. Turbo kits are more complex.

[135Pats]

Totally different ballgame with the S65 too....you're taking a native NA motor and adding forced induction. I don't think that price regime is at all fair to compare N54 turbo upgrades with.

['___']

Originally Posted by Julian2485

15k that's a new car lol

You mean a Chevy Spark? I was in the market for a beater last year for under 15k. There aren't crap for NEW cars at that price.

Besides, if a large SINGLE costs 7-9k, why do people crap themselves when large TWINS come in at nearly double? You're doubling nearly all the costs and introducing far greater space constraints to have to work around.

[Ingeniator]

Originally Posted by Vargasturbotech

We appreciate the kind words. Lets look at the facts.We have actually been involved in the N54 platform less than 2 years, in this time have pushed N54 turbochargers harder and further than anyone, not too mention finding time for the N55's. In this short time we have held just about every record for both platforms, and mined more real world data than any other company selling turbo upgrades for the N54 bar NONE. Yet you have people that sit on the sidelines and complain because a kit has taken longer than expected. Everyone waiting for stage 3 is doing so by choice. Everyone who made a deposit was offered a 100% no questions asked refund, and anyone still waiting can do the same at anytime. Yet, we still have these sort of misinformed posts. What can you do, nothing but keep working and ignore the haters. Cheers guys

Originally Posted by HeavyMetalRocker

+1

Has Vargas actually sold anything AND shipped to a customer besides stg 1 & 2 turbos?... which I have yet to see solid numbers or reviews on?!

Originally Posted by 3000GT MR

Yeah and it probably wouldn't take 6 years, 10 fabricators, and lots of deposits to make it happen either

I'm all for expecting a product to be delivered in a timely method but I think Vargas has done a good job dealing with the issues they have had with production and communicating to actual purchasers. As far as the other products they offer. I would like to see any other turbo kit manufacture provide EGT and EBP data for their kits(Tony) and what the rational on metallurgy is. For the amount of R&D that should be performed I've yet to see any evidence of testing of some of the most important values on a turbo motor.

As for the price of big twins. It is expected two turbos = more money. I think the increase in spool time is a draw back. But that is why I decided to try a staged sequential instead.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Totally different ballgame with the S65 too....you're taking a native NA motor and adding forced induction. I don't think that price regime is at all fair to compare N54 turbo upgrades with.

I hear ya on that but, the CP-e kit is a complete make over. ST kits are only half the developemet when compared to a full fledge twin upgrade.

The closer they bring it to 10k the better. It not every a manufacture changes it mind on a over built engine.

[j1gilles]

Originally Posted by '___'

You mean a Chevy Spark? I was in the market for a beater last year for under 15k. There aren't crap for NEW cars at that price.

Besides, if a large SINGLE costs 7-9k, why do people crap themselves when large TWINS come in at nearly double? You're doubling nearly all the costs and introducing far greater space constraints to have to work around.

Must be nice to consider a 15k car a beater....

[Myrder]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

ESS Superchargers starts at $7000 but that not exactly apples to apples. Turbo kits are more complex.

While I agree building the turbo manifold is more complex, you get a lot less with the ST kits I've been seeing.

The ST kits so far are just a manifold, turbo, and DP, maybe air filter. Maybe the hot side tubing to the intercooler?

Supercharger kits come with the supercharger, tuning(flash), brackets, belts, pulleys, breather system, intercooler (air to water in some cases), injectors, manifold, and spark plugs. Sometimes they come with more.

Just my 2c. No disrespect.

[atx335]

Originally Posted by 135Pats

Totally different ballgame with the S65 too....you're taking a native NA motor and adding forced induction. I don't think that price regime is at all fair to compare N54 turbo upgrades with.

Which in all theory should be much, much more expensive, no? We are a native FI motor with the supporting backend to do single or upgraded twins. I don't even have a dog in this fight but I just found this response to be odd.