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      04-08-2015, 12:53 PM   #1
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Road Course/AutoX Alignment Settings

Would anybody be willing to share what they have their alignment set at for the criteria listed above? Currently running about -2.5 in the front with 0 toe and i'm getting a good amount of inside edge wear. I heard this platform needs a little bit of negative static toe for even wear in the front.

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Fortune Auto Coilover F 16k, R 18k Swift Springs

F 245/35/19 R 275/30/19

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Here is what I have.

______________Left____Right
Front Camber: -3.0____-3.0
Front Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Rear Camber: -2.0____-2.0
Rear Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Works fine for me. However, the front can benefit from another -0.5 degree of camber. You are going to get inside edge wear at that kind of camber regardless, if the vehicle is still driven.
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Would anybody be willing to share what they have their alignment set at for the criteria listed above? Currently running about -2.5 in the front with 0 toe and i'm getting a good amount of inside edge wear. I heard this platform needs a little bit of negative static toe for even wear in the front.

Car Specs: E92 335i:

Fortune Auto Coilover F 16k, R 18k Swift Springs

F 245/35/19 R 275/30/19

Thanks in advance guys.
On a side note how are those spring rates on the street?
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Here is what I have.

______________Left____Right
Front Camber: -3.0____-3.0
Front Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Rear Camber: -2.0____-2.0
Rear Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Works fine for me. However, the front can benefit from another -0.5 degree of camber. You are going to get inside edge wear at that kind of camber regardless, if the vehicle is still driven.
how does the car drive with toe out in the rear? Don't you want toe in for the rear to aid in rear end stability?

Also im getting wear on like the very inner edge/shoulder of the tire, 98% of the tire looks brand new. makes me think its a toe issue more than camber.
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Here is what I have.

______________Left____Right
Front Camber: -3.0____-3.0
Front Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Rear Camber: -2.0____-2.0
Rear Toe: +0.1____+0.1

Works fine for me. However, the front can benefit from another -0.5 degree of camber. You are going to get inside edge wear at that kind of camber regardless, if the vehicle is still driven.
how does the car drive with toe out in the rear? Don't you want toe in for the rear to aid in rear end stability?

Also im getting wear on like the very inner edge/shoulder of the tire, 98% of the tire looks brand new. makes me think its a toe issue more than camber.
Pretty sure +toe = toe in
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On a side note how are those spring rates on the street?
I have the dampers set to full soft on the front and its actually not too bad. had to disconnect the front sway bar though because it was lifting an inside tire on hard cornering and also pissing the abs system off.

The rear I cant really comment because my subframe bushing are destroyed so there isn't much feel back there.

Ive run NT01's and also Pirelli slicks and they feel about perfect with my setup on the Road Course or Autox.
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Pretty sure +toe = toe in
LOL noob mistake of me. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Camber is going to be the main factor in the inner edge wear, toe typically has minimal effect. You will want some at least some + toe for the rear for braking stability, if you are having traction issues stand the rears up a bit.
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I disagree on above camber vs toe and inner tire wear. Zero out toe and max camber would yeild minimal inner tire wear. Now, do the oposite and post how your tires will hold up.
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I disagree on above camber vs toe and inner tire wear. Zero out toe and max camber would yeild minimal inner tire wear. Now, do the oposite and post how your tires will hold up.
Let's make sure we are referencing the same thing ->max camber = / \ tops of the tire in more than the bottom.

Think about it, if your contact patch is just the inside of the tire (resulting from camber) then that is all that is going to wear (granted, you do get some compression of the inner sidewall with load and the contact patch does increase). Toe will effect the portion of the tire that is in contact with the track and has an effect on stability and some of the very initial turn in and feel. It can also be used to generate tire temp if needed, but that's not ideal.

For reference, I engineered Champcars/Indycars for 9 years so this isn't just conjecture.

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