[natedog7700]

Just curious what would be a better handling car around the track given both are bone stock except BOTH having the same wheel/tire combo. What would win?

[mojobmw_e90]

Evo no questions asked. Will corner harder, come out the corner harder, brake later due to its better brake system

[r4dr]

Originally Posted by mojobmw_e90

Evo no questions asked. Will corner harder, come out the corner harder, brake later due to its better brake system

Agreed. Not to mention the suspension is much more performance-tuned than the floaty stuff with the 335i. By design, since the 335i is more of a luxury car.

The Evo is a beast even out of the box. It's a shame the interior was always garbage.

[natedog7700]

How far off is the Evo 10? I found an article comparing the EVO 10 and 335 Here:http://www.edmunds.com/mitsubishi/la...ison-test.html

They both run similar numbers for braking, skid pad and acceleration. The BMW actually stops better on this specific test.

[mojobmw_e90]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

How far off is the Evo 10? I found an article comparing the EVO 10 and 335 Here:http://www.edmunds.com/mitsubishi/la...ison-test.html

They both run similar numbers for braking, skid pad and acceleration. The BMW actually stops better on this specific test.

Evo 10 was a downgrade from a evo 8/9.mitsubishi tried hard to make it work interior wise and made the ride less harsh, but that didn't work so well

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

How far off is the Evo 10? I found an article comparing the EVO 10 and 335 Here:http://www.edmunds.com/mitsubishi/la...ison-test.html

They both run similar numbers for braking, skid pad and acceleration. The BMW actually stops better on this specific test.

Which track, that you know of, consists only of constant radius turns and straight line accelerating and braking? Which track also requires you to come to a full stop before turning and accelerating?

And even if you DO find a track that consists of nothing but constant radius turns and straight line acceleration and braking, and despite both cars publishing nearly identical brake, skidpad, and acceleration numbers, the fact that an AWD with mechanical LSD all around (center, front, and rear) will simply be able to get on the throttle sooner and laid down power LONGER will mean the EVO will be anywhere between .1-.2 seconds FASTER per turn on the course, and and potentially up to another .2 second faster due to higher terminal speed down the straight (due to that .1 second advantage of being able to apply throttle sooner). On an average road course with, say, 12 turns, the advantage can be as much as 4-5 seconds per lap.

That's a freakin' eternity.

I've actually driven the EVO 10 and an E92 M3 back to back on an autocross course (about 30 seconds per lap). The EVO 10 churned faster times. The AWD system is an intangible that simple instrumentation testing won't be able to account for in real world applications for performance driving.

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by r4dr

The Evo is a beast even out of the box. It's a shame the interior was always garbage.

NT

[feuer]

Originally Posted by r4dr

By design, since the 335i is more of a luxury car.

I drive one and please enlighten me, what is luxurious about 335i ?

[feuer]

Originally Posted by mojobmw_e90

Evo no questions asked. Will corner harder, come out the corner harder, brake later due to its better brake system

I frequently track with Evo 9 & 10 in intermeadiate group. My engine is stock. Upgraded suspension and brakes. The stock Evo goes around the truck a lot faster, as fast tuned 335i. Is easier to drive to begin with, is also ligher, smaller. Only o. longer straights is an even fight.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Just curious what would be a better handling car around the track given both are bone stock except BOTH having the same wheel/tire combo. What would win?

Come down to ACC Joliet, IL this weeknd and see for yourself

[r4dr]

Originally Posted by The HACK

NT

I'm not saying that as a reason it's a bad car, but that interior is even bad beyond a utilitarian perspective. I'd track the hell out of an Evo but it's a bit of a stretch to live with that every day. I thought my WRX was bad, man...

If I had a choice between the two for a track car, I'd buy the Evo hands down. My WRX was a ton of fun to drive and its Fisher-Price interior was one step above the Evo. Still miss that car every day.

Originally Posted by feuer

I drive one and please enlighten me, what is luxurious about 335i ?

Compared to an Evo? Literally everything.

[philo 7]

I come from 10 years of evo 4,7and 8 ownership
ive got a r32gtr now and just purchased a 2012 335i dct
the jap cars are great on the track,mostly the steering,chassis feel
im prepping the 335 for annual trip to spa and nurburgring ,and I think the bmw will suit the flowing , fast, ring especialy
the times will tell !!

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by r4dr

I'm not saying that as a reason it's a bad car, but that interior is even bad beyond a utilitarian perspective. I'd track the hell out of an Evo but it's a bit of a stretch to live with that every day. I thought my WRX was bad, man...

If I had a choice between the two for a track car, I'd buy the Evo hands down. My WRX was a ton of fun to drive and its Fisher-Price interior was one step above the Evo. Still miss that car every day.



Compared to an Evo? Literally everything.

I made that chart for fun. Even the most ardent BMW fanboi should find the humor in that.

And while the chart strikes true about BMW fanboi logic, it also points out that BMWs DO strike a fine balance between performance, both in a straight line and "teh twisties," luxury, and value...that a car were to excel in all those areas more than your typical BMW and cheaper is hard to find.

Although, to be honest, in the last half dozen years they're more and more cars that are a better balance of all tangibles than a BMW. Maybe the world IS coming to an end.

[feuer]

Originally Posted by r4dr

Compared to an Evo? Literally everything.

If you are comparing like that even the Evo is a luxury car let say compared to Lada, however, realistically neither is. List me the features, the fit and finish, the build quality that would make the 335i at about $50k new so distinctive to be classified as luxury car. To me none, 335i is everyday car. But it could be just the perception, right?

[cb4]

Originally Posted by feuer

If you are comparing like that even the Evo is a luxury car let say compared to Lada, however, realistically neither is. List me the features, the fit and finish, the build quality that would make the 335i at about $50k new so distinctive to be classified as luxury car. To me none, 335i is everyday car. But it could be just the perception, right?

http://www.caranddriver.com/best-sedans

Car and driver classifies the 3 series as entry level Luxury

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by The HACK

Which track, that you know of, consists only of constant radius turns and straight line accelerating and braking? Which track also requires you to come to a full stop before turning and accelerating?

And even if you DO find a track that consists of nothing but constant radius turns and straight line acceleration and braking, and despite both cars publishing nearly identical brake, skidpad, and acceleration numbers, the fact that an AWD with mechanical LSD all around (center, front, and rear) will simply be able to get on the throttle sooner and laid down power LONGER will mean the EVO will be anywhere between .1-.2 seconds FASTER per turn on the course, and and potentially up to another .2 second faster due to higher terminal speed down the straight (due to that .1 second advantage of being able to apply throttle sooner). On an average road course with, say, 12 turns, the advantage can be as much as 4-5 seconds per lap.

That's a freakin' eternity.

I've actually driven the EVO 10 and an E92 M3 back to back on an autocross course (about 30 seconds per lap). The EVO 10 churned faster times. The AWD system is an intangible that simple instrumentation testing won't be able to account for in real world applications for performance driving.

Autocross is way different than track racing. Autocross is low speed that deals with weight, wheel base, quick transitions, and low speed sharp turns. Track racing is high speed banking curves that don't need a short wheel base or "light" nimble car per say. However, the lighter the better etc. With that being said, I'm not a "BMW fanboy" who thinks they are top sh1t. I just wanted to see what you guys thought because I was watching some videos around youtube and reading up on this specific article.

[Cloud9blue]

If you are on stock suspension and brakes, Evo hands down, don't even try. Even with heavily modded car like mine, I still have problem keeping up with it on a slightly damp track, given the same driving skill and tires. AWD is a godsend on tight corners or less grippy surfaces.

That said your car, with that RB turbo and inlets, will have a significant edge on horsepower track like Road America, IF you can get your corner exist done right. But assuming you are on stock radiator and oil cooler, limp mode will get you in a lap or two with the power your engine is making...

[Cloud9blue]

Some comparison vs. a friend's Evo 10 (stock suspension, Cobb tune)

Road America, dry track, I (FBO w/o inlets, stock turbo, E85) was doing 2:47-2:49 with no traffic, while his car is losing quite a bit of time on the straights and doing 2:52.

Autobahn Full, damp sections here and there, we were pretty even until I had misfires half way through and drop out.

[Cloud9blue]

Originally Posted by cb4

http://www.caranddriver.com/best-sedans

Car and driver classifies the 3 series as entry level Luxury

The thing with 3 series is that the feel of the interior can varies a lot depending on the options. You can have a base 325i with crappy fake leather and horrible trim combo to a fully loaded Individual car with high quality leather and trim piece all around. That said Evo's interior is pretty damn "basic" to put it nicely, lol.

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by natedog7700

Autocross is way different than track racing.

No it's not. The ONLY difference between AX and track, is AX is like tracking on meth. Stuff happens much faster. But the dynamics of vehicle weight transfer, principles behind going fast in either sport, and the actual PHYSICS behind both are identical.

The "other" difference(s) between AX and track are all semantics and logistics, i.e. AX you NEVER share track space with other vehicles, vs. tracking you do, and relationship with timing (AX start/finish doesn't always overlap, while track DOES).

ANYONE who tells you that AX and tracking is different hasn't done one or the other (and do it well).

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by The HACK

No it's not. The ONLY difference between AX and track, is AX is like tracking on meth. Stuff happens much faster. But the dynamics of vehicle weight transfer, principles behind going fast in either sport, and the actual PHYSICS behind both are identical.

The "other" difference(s) between AX and track are all semantics and logistics, i.e. AX you NEVER share track space with other vehicles, vs. tracking you do, and relationship with timing (AX start/finish doesn't always overlap, while track DOES).

ANYONE who tells you that AX and tracking is different hasn't done one or the other (and do it well).

Not true. Your speaking to someone who also has experience with both so i don't know where you've been. They both have common characteristics like you said, but they are totally different in their own ways as well and someone to say otherwise, is full of crap IMO.

[natedog7700]

Originally Posted by Cloud9blue

Some comparison vs. a friend's Evo 10 (stock suspension, Cobb tune)

Road America, dry track, I (FBO w/o inlets, stock turbo, E85) was doing 2:47-2:49 with no traffic, while his car is losing quite a bit of time on the straights and doing 2:52.

Autobahn Full, damp sections here and there, we were pretty even until I had misfires half way through and drop out.

Road America! I live an hour away and been there a couple times! What wheel/tire combo where you and the EVO running? Im currently on 255's (square) with Ventus RS3's.

Cool video's thanks for sharing!