[turbotko]

With all the debates of 335 versus the new M3 we decided to do a little testing to see what happens. I had personally driven an E92 M3 a couple of times and felt that it was not as fast as my V2 335. I was right

There's no videos but the race was nice and fair, no mistakes by either sides. He started out a fender ahead of me until I could get boost built in 1st gear, once the boost hit I immediately shot ahead and kept pulling away. By 120 there was 2-3 cars between us and I was still pulling a bit.

I'm running 93 octane shell gas with the 2-26 V2.02 map set to 94%. It made a tad over 15.6 psi in 4th gear during the run but 1-3rd gears were at 14.2 psi peak boost. I also have the dual cone setup on my car. Everything else is completely stock.

The guy driving the M3 was He couldn't believe it, especially after all the trash talking he did about how "there's no way your 335 will come close to the M3". I love making people eat their words!!

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Awesome man! I guess it doesnt take any other bolton parts besides a simple CAI and a piggyback. I dont care what people say about a 335 not being a M3, BMW just plain messed up and should have given the M more power. I wonder how many owners will be pissed about this.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

M3 = slowest of all the Ms

[5soko]

wow very interesting.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

M3 = slowest of all the Ms

And for that you have to pay $25k more than the price of a 335? plz

Somebody with upgraded suspension go beat that thing on a track so that all the M owners who look down on our cars can be quiet.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by turbotko

(the M3 wasn't exactly ours )

LOL ... so your a master tech, so "ours" is refering to "the dealership"... so this was a customer car? now thats funny.... I thought it was weird that my car 20 miles on it when I picked it up... now I know what you guys do

[Comet]

as much as I love my 335i, it will never handle like an M3 (not without spending unreasonable amounts of money on it at least), it will never get the same props or respect as one...
it just can never be better than an M3...
faster... pffft.. who cares?
the guy in the M3 is still in an M3.. and thus why BMW did not drop the ball on this one...

I'd rather stock over modified any day of the week...
that's why I laugh at a rice rocket that can beat me in a race.. his car is a tuna can and mine is a 335i

but however... very nice and glad to hear that we can beat it need be...

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by turbotko

With all the debates of 335 versus the new M3 we decided to do a little testing to see what happens. I had personally driven an E92 M3 a couple of times and felt that it was not as fast as my V2 335. I was right

There's no videos (the M3 wasn't exactly ours ) but the race was nice and fair, no mistakes by either sides. He started out a fender ahead of me until I could get boost built in 1st gear, once the boost hit I immediately shot ahead and kept pulling away. By 120 there was 2-3 cars between us and I was still pulling a bit.

I'm running 93 octane shell gas with the 2-26 V2.02 map set to 94%. It made a tad over 15.6 psi in 4th gear during the run but 1-3rd gears were at 14.2 psi peak boost. I also have the dual cone setup on my car. Everything else is completely stock.

The guy driving the M3 was He couldn't believe it, especially after all the trash talking he did about how "there's no way your 335 will come close to the M3". I love making people eat their words!!

NICE!!!!! Your experience only confirms the PROcede v2 335i vs. E92 M3 outcome of the M5Board.com races in Sweden. Thanks.

[turbotko]

The car absolutely was not a customers car. I would never race a customers car..........ever ever ever ever!! Just wanted to keep that straight. I have much respect for my customers and from my customers and would never risk that on a race.

I am not at liberty to tell where the car came from though.

[NYCGarbagePrince]

Originally Posted by Comet

as much as I love my 335i, it will never handle like an M3 (not without spending unreasonable amounts of money on it at least), it will never get the same props or respect as one...
it just can never be better than an M3...
faster... pffft.. who cares?
the guy in the M3 is still in an M3.. and thus why BMW did not drop the ball on this one...

I'd rather stock over modified any day of the week...
that's why I laugh at a rice rocket that can beat me in a race.. his car is a tuna can and mine is a 335i

but however... very nice and glad to hear that we can beat it need be...

$400 Hotchkiss Sway set up
$1600 KWv3
$1600 LSD (Un-Welded Diff Price)

Looks like $3600 + installation for a car that handles better than a M3 and well looks very very similar to all car owners besides us that own a BMW. And that M3 needs new suspension to lower its CoG a bit, if you didn't notice it is a bit bulky. Does this mean the 335i is better? No, not necessarily. But if you are gonna sit and tell me it will never be better at handling I think you are wrong.

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by turbotko

The car absolutely was not a customers car. I would never race a customers car..........ever ever ever ever!! Just wanted to keep that straight. I have much respect for my customers and from my customers and would never risk that on a race.

I am not at liberty to tell where the car came from though.

Thats good to hear

[Panoz]

Originally Posted by NYCGarbagePrince

$400 Hotchkiss Sway set up
$1600 KWv3

Any link of where I could get these (especialy the sway bar)?


Anyway, its not new that a V2 335 (with no other mods) is at least 2-3 cl ahead from the new M3. We've made several runs localy and the result is always the same.

You should keep in mind that the comparison is done on a straight line dratg race. I'm absolutely sure that if the two cars were driven in a track (by the same driver) the 335i wouldn't be in position to achieve as good lap times as M3 due to the fact "M-setup" is amazingly effective on the track. The difference of the two cars is far beyond the suspension & swaybar i believe.

[hotrod2448]

I'm going to say the M was the dealership demo.

[e90AW335i]

Do yall think JB2HH on 93 octane and BMS filter kit would have similar results?

(not taking away from the thread, I am just curious....)

[G33]

how many miles on the clock did the M3 have???

[judec]

Originally Posted by Panoz

Any link of where I could get these (especialy the sway bar)?


Anyway, its not new that a V2 335 (with no other mods) is at least 2-3 cl ahead from the new M3. We've made several runs localy and the result is always the same.

You should keep in mind that the comparison is done on a straight line dratg race. I'm absolutely sure that if the two cars were driven in a track (by the same driver) the 335i wouldn't be in position to achieve as good lap times as M3 due to the fact "M-setup" is amazingly effective on the track. The difference of the two cars is far beyond the suspension & swaybar i believe.

All of this is for sell in the vendors forum + U can find list on the mod list sticky here.

[j28s]

Regarding the above post from NYCGarbage...$3600+install for a car that handles better than an M3. PLEASE!
FIRST - look at what the M3 has to offer - electronic dampening suspension, M double clutch, 414 HP, wider tires, 14.2" front, 13.8" rear vented brakes, variable M LSD, 3,725 lbs, drag is .031, a bit better front/rear balance but perfect L/R and just about perfect for each corner, blah blah blah.
SECOND - look at the 335 - No LSD but you can buy one...will total around $2500+, 13.7" front, 13.2" rear brakes (but you can add bigger brakes), drag is .30, smaller tires/wheels, but you can add bigger wheels, M3 has better suspension, but you can add coilovers and swaybars, less power but you can add some V2 or something else...but no more warranty. BLAH BLAH BLAH

So...now lets theoritically go to the track...five laps and the 335i is going in limp mode. M3...still cruising with no issues...and faster because of the way the car was originally designed, better brakes, better transmission, better clutch (and don't say the automatic in the 335i is "FASTER" on the track), power is made higher in the RPMs, so you can get more full power out of the turn and not have to worry as much about wheel spin as the 335i...remember carbonfiber roof...hood...blah blah blah. I say this because I have a 335i with UCC adjustable swaybars, PSS9 coilovers, corner weighted, blah blah blah. I've taken my car to the track and I know what it will do and what it won't do.
Yes, I am saying the 335i will not be a better handling car...you can only add so much to handle just as good as the M3...until the M3 is also upgraded with parts and...oh...but that's another story.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

This thread will blow up. The M guys will not sit easily with these statements. I think it is wise just to say each has its demographic. I could careless about M badges and feel the 335i is a car that fits my needs much better.

[Blk07335i]

Limp mode after 5 laps...I guess you are not familiar with the Bathurst events. These are 335i's with very little mods IIRC. I know one car had Procede and an upgraded oil cooler.

WPS Bathurst 12 Hour – Top Ten Outright

1. D. White/G. Alexander/R. Salmon (Mitsubishi EVO IX)
2. G. Denyer/T. Quinn/K. Quinn (Mitsubishi EVO IX)
3. C. Baird/P.Morris/G. Holt (BMW 335i)
4. B. Morcom/S. Owen/L. Cranbrook (BMW335i)
5. M. Notaras/Des Wall/David Wall/T, Symonds (Mitsubishi EVO IX GSR)
6. L. Searle/P. Kelly (BMW 130)
7. M. O’Connor/A. Fisher/R. Buttrose (Lotus Exige)
8. D. Schulz/A. Knight/J. Winslow (Subaru WRX STi)
9. B. Walden/G. Walden/M. Auld (Holden Commodore VY)
10. K. Kratzman/I. Tulloch/B. Collins (Subaru WRX Sti)

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Blk07335i

Limp mode after 5 laps...I guess you are not familiar with the Bathurst events. These are 335i's with very little mods IIRC. I know one car had Procede and an upgraded oil cooler.

WPS Bathurst 12 Hour – Top Ten Outright

1. D. White/G. Alexander/R. Salmon (Mitsubishi EVO IX)
2. G. Denyer/T. Quinn/K. Quinn (Mitsubishi EVO IX)
3. C. Baird/P.Morris/G. Holt (BMW 335i)
4. B. Morcom/S. Owen/L. Cranbrook (BMW335i)
5. M. Notaras/Des Wall/David Wall/T, Symonds (Mitsubishi EVO IX GSR)
6. L. Searle/P. Kelly (BMW 130)
7. M. O’Connor/A. Fisher/R. Buttrose (Lotus Exige)
8. D. Schulz/A. Knight/J. Winslow (Subaru WRX STi)
9. B. Walden/G. Walden/M. Auld (Holden Commodore VY)
10. K. Kratzman/I. Tulloch/B. Collins (Subaru WRX Sti)

Also, C. Baird/P.Morris/G. Holt (BMW 335i) -- one of these guys actually won (came in 1st place) in their v1.47 335i @ the 2007 Bathurst race last year.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Awesome man! I guess it doesnt take any other bolton parts besides a simple CAI and a piggyback. I dont care what people say about a 335 not being a M3, BMW just plain messed up and should have given the M more power. I wonder how many owners will be pissed about this.

most owners are posers anyway and won't even get on the car hard to realize it's underpowered.

[turbotko]

Originally Posted by j28s

Regarding the above post from NYCGarbage...$3600+install for a car that handles better than an M3. PLEASE!
FIRST - look at what the M3 has to offer - electronic dampening suspension, M double clutch, 414 HP, wider tires, 14.2" front, 13.8" rear vented brakes, variable M LSD, 3,725 lbs, drag is .031, a bit better front/rear balance but perfect L/R and just about perfect for each corner, blah blah blah.
SECOND - look at the 335 - No LSD but you can buy one...will total around $2500+, 13.7" front, 13.2" rear brakes (but you can add bigger brakes), drag is .30, smaller tires/wheels, but you can add bigger wheels, M3 has better suspension, but you can add coilovers and swaybars, less power but you can add some V2 or something else...but no more warranty. BLAH BLAH BLAH

So...now lets theoritically go to the track...five laps and the 335i is going in limp mode. M3...still cruising with no issues...and faster because of the way the car was originally designed, better brakes, better transmission, better clutch (and don't say the automatic in the 335i is "FASTER" on the track), power is made higher in the RPMs, so you can get more full power out of the turn and not have to worry as much about wheel spin as the 335i...remember carbonfiber roof...hood...blah blah blah. I say this because I have a 335i with UCC adjustable swaybars, PSS9 coilovers, corner weighted, blah blah blah. I've taken my car to the track and I know what it will do and what it won't do.
Yes, I am saying the 335i will not be a better handling car...you can only add so much to handle just as good as the M3...until the M3 is also upgraded with parts and...oh...but that's another story.

Yeah, the M3 is probably the better handling car. And I would honestly do a straight across trade from my 335 to the M3, even though my car is faster in a daily driving scenario that I drive in everyday. The M3 is a sweet car, sounds awesome, looks good, the interior is better.

The M3 335 going into limp after 5 laps though? I've never had a limp mode with my car and it's been driven very hard for along period of time many times.

But the bottom line is, most of these cars will never see a road course. I daily drive my car, and can effectively say my 335 is better than the M3 at that particular situation........if for no other reason than the better power band.

I would think that the M3 would have to handle quite a bit better to overcome the 335's acceleration advantage on a road course, especially one with a long straight. Add some suspension parts and LSD to the 335 and the handling advantage becomes even smaller. Also remember, this straight line run was done on 93 octane. The 335 is only a couple of gallons of race gas away from another 20-30 rwhp. Since the M3 engine is NA, there will be no piggybacks that add 80 horsepower. Any significant horsepower gains to the M3 will be big time $$$$$$$$$

We can debate all day long, but for what I use my car for on a daily basis, the 335 is a better choice for me. I'd buy a Lotus Exige for track duty