JB+ vs sstt review

FotiosF90M5 · 02-01-2009, 06:51 PM

Terry sent me over a JB+ to try out a few days ago as I was very curious how it stacked up against my much loved sstt I had a while back. One word to sum up this tune that comes to mind is just plain old "fun". I turned up the boost to max because I have a pre 29.2 car and popped it in the car. Im familiar with it so install took about a minute.

It seemed like it adapted after 4 or 5 pulls on it. The power comes on quick and is a blast down low. The thing that separates this from the sstt is this tune pulls great up top too where the sstt let you down quite a bit. Also the power all around is a decent step up from the sstt. I would say jb2H without all the messing around with the ecu and the boost solenoid tubes.Its pretty much right where they said it would be..between jb2 and jb3.Part throttle yields some serious pull and is what makes it so fun.nice shove down low and great pull up top.

For people with the sstt if I had my choice I would choose the JB+ because you get more power all around and its cool how it is upgradable.Its like a perfected version of the sstt or the infamous and apparently non existent sstt 2 that was rumored to come out a while back.
Customers who do not want to enter the ecu area will love this tune. You buy it, simply put it on, and your car right away is a lot more powerful and fun to drive. You cant ask for much more from this type of tune.

I think terry has a good product with this one.Its perfect for this niche in the n54 community.If your thinking about it, go for it. my .02.

FotiosF90M5 · 02-01-2009, 06:55 PM

I didnt get any limp codes with this either during the testing. The highest I saw on the boost gauge was 13. usually showing from 11 to 12. 13 was the highest peak I saw.

BzzzBom · 02-01-2009, 06:59 PM

Since neither the SSTT nor the JB+ changes the fuel map shouldn't they provide the same performance throughout the rpms at a given level of boost?

FotiosF90M5 · 02-01-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BzzzBom

Since neither the SSTT nor the JB+ changes the fuel map shouldn't they provide the same performance throughout the rpms at a given level of boost?

dont know. Im not a tuner. Its stronger all around though. trust me Ive had two sstt's in the past.

FotiosF90M5 · 02-01-2009, 07:05 PM

maybe someone who knows can chime in.

OpenFlash · 02-01-2009, 07:22 PM

By the sounds of it, the JB+ runs a ~1psi more boost than the SSTT. I'm guessing this is from making the IAT read higher. The extra boost explains the extra power. But it would also make it more diagnostically visible. This may not matter for some people. Those who do care about being invisible might have to settle for SSTT-like boost and power. I suspect this is one of the advantages of having it adjustable. You can choose your tune (up to a point of course) based upon your needs.

Shiv

Dan335i · 02-01-2009, 08:43 PM

I,m wondering if the extra 1psi of boost would make it detectable to the dealer.I,m very happy with my SSTT and will keep it.It pulls off idle to the redline without any drop off in power like some people claim.I,m not knocking the JB+ at all as i think its fantastic from the reviews so far.And i know BMS makes quality performance parts that work.I have the BMS intake along with my SSTT.My first tune was a JB1 and i liked the nice little bump in power.So now i,m at the SSTT level and am enjoying it until, or if i decide i want some more oomph.But right now i,m happy with the Filter and TT.Also getting 19.5mpg local with very spirited driving most of the time.Spirited not abusive!

Scimitar335i · 02-02-2009, 02:15 AM

Those who are happy with the SSTT stick with the SSTT.. The JB+ is a tweaked SSTT and it's ease of use is to cut into the SSTT's market. The adjustable part was a HUGE draw-in for me. Especially now that there is a local autoshop with a GT1 scanner that can delete codes in the evendt anything happens or if I need to take the car into the dealer.. I am going to crank this mofo up!!!

sd390r · 02-02-2009, 02:40 AM

I dont know why someone wouldnt just get a stage 3 tune lol even if youre going to run it on a low boost map

why put save a hundred or two and put something inferior on a 40k+ car

Scimitar335i · 02-02-2009, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sd390r

I dont know why someone wouldnt just get a stage 3 tune lol even if youre going to run it on a low boost map

why put save a hundred or two and put something inferior on a 40k+ car

some people just don't want to deal with opening and closing the ECU everytime they have to go into the dealer. The JB+ takes me less than a minute to remove and install...

Hampi · 02-02-2009, 04:47 AM

How does JB+ work together with an FMIC etc?

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 02-02-2009, 06:59 AM

Glad you tried it out! It's a great entry level tune, or one for those worried about warranty work. You can have it on and off in a matter of minutes without going in the ECU and adjust the boost gains from 2-5psi in 1/2psi increments. For 29.2+ cars the "safe" setting is in the 2.5psi range, but you can always go to 3.5psi and risk it. Or go all the way to 5psi and locate a GT1 before service!

Of course pre 29.2 cars don't have to worry about manipulation codes. At the highest boost levels (> 4psi) an additional vacuum line may need to be added for some ECU versions. Something BMS is testing now.

Mike

ac1208 · 02-02-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

Glad you tried it out! It's a great entry level tune, or one for those worried about warranty work. You can have it on and off in a matter of minutes without going in the ECU and adjust the boost gains from 2-5psi in 1/2psi increments. For 29.2+ cars the "safe" setting is in the 2.5psi range, but you can always go to 3.5psi and risk it. Or go all the way to 5psi and locate a GT1 before service!

Of course pre 29.2 cars don't have to worry about manipulation codes. At the highest boost levels (> 4psi) an additional vacuum line may need to be added for some ECU versions. Something BMS is testing now.

Mike

know of any GT1's in toronto (other than dealers)?

asdflkijd · 02-02-2009, 10:07 PM

nice... I had the sstt as my first tune and then JB, then I upgraded to JB2HR or whatever they call it (the one with the R switch). I sold the JB2 because I didn't like constantly going back in and out of the ecu compartment so the JB+ would be a really nice for those with the same problem, however, when my warranty is over I will probably go back to the ECU compartment to unleash the n54's full potential.

asdflkijd · 02-02-2009, 10:08 PM

btw, is there a dyno out for the JB+ yet?

forza1976 · 02-03-2009, 12:22 AM

OP, do you have a picture of the JB+

FotiosF90M5 · 02-03-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forza1976

OP, do you have a picture of the JB+

no, its identical to sstt in appearance. I think I might sell it soon..I have no use for it.

RambleJ · 02-03-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fotios335i

no, its identical to sstt in appearance. I think I might sell it soon..I have no use for it.

LOL, Yah i can assume that after reading your review of the new PROcede. Whats your askin price?? I would love to get my hands on one of these!

Evangelo2 · 02-12-2009, 04:40 PM

Hey guys,
Im looking at getting a 09 335 E92 soon and was thinking about the SSTT. I have read a lot in the forum and am new to turbo cars but I think I would trade some performance for peace of mind. Ic an't seem to find exactly how much extra boost the SSTT is pushing? Im guessing it is 2.5 since that is the lower end of the JB3+? Is that correct? I have also read that the SSTT can not be detected by the stealership if you remove before service visits. That is also true, right?
Lastly, anyone know if there is a shop in the NY Metro area (preferably LI) with a GT1 to clear any codes

Thanks guys and love this forum!
-Evangelo2

jcarlucci1 · 02-12-2009, 04:47 PM

sstt is 3.5.

JB+ is adjustable from 2-5 psi, and half the price of sstt. Get the JB+

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evangelo2

Hey guys,
Im looking at getting a 09 335 E92 soon and was thinking about the SSTT. I have read a lot in the forum and am new to turbo cars but I think I would trade some performance for peace of mind. Ic an't seem to find exactly how much extra boost the SSTT is pushing? Im guessing it is 2.5 since that is the lower end of the JB3+? Is that correct? I have also read that the SSTT can not be detected by the stealership if you remove before service visits. That is also true, right?
Lastly, anyone know if there is a shop in the NY Metro area (preferably LI) with a GT1 to clear any codes

Thanks guys and love this forum!
-Evangelo2

Klepper1 · 02-12-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan335i

I,m wondering if the extra 1psi of boost would make it detectable to the dealer.I,m very happy with my SSTT and will keep it.It pulls off idle to the redline without any drop off in power like some people claim.I,m not knocking the JB+ at all as i think its fantastic from the reviews so far.And i know BMS makes quality performance parts that work.I have the BMS intake along with my SSTT.My first tune was a JB1 and i liked the nice little bump in power.So now i,m at the SSTT level and am enjoying it until, or if i decide i want some more oomph.But right now i,m happy with the Filter and TT.Also getting 19.5mpg local with very spirited driving most of the time.Spirited not abusive!

+1. I never felt mine drop off either.

Evangelo2 · 02-12-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcarlucci1

sstt is 3.5.

JB+ is adjustable from 2-5 psi, and half the price of sstt. Get the JB+

Thanks jcarlucci1!
Is there going to be a big difference between running the SSTT's 3.5 PSI and setting the JB+ to 2.5 PSI? Like I said earlier, I want to err on the side of caution (even though I may increase the boost with the JB+ later on). One more quick question, and this one is probably stupid. Where are you guys buying the JB+ from?
-Evangelo2

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FotiosF90M5 ///M Specialist South Shore BMW 810 Rep 7,109 Posts Drives: 2021 M5 Comp BHG/Silverstone Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Shore, MA iTrader: (62)	JB+ vs sstt review Terry sent me over a JB+ to try out a few days ago as I was very curious how it stacked up against my much loved sstt I had a while back. One word to sum up this tune that comes to mind is just plain old "fun". I turned up the boost to max because I have a pre 29.2 car and popped it in the car. Im familiar with it so install took about a minute. It seemed like it adapted after 4 or 5 pulls on it. The power comes on quick and is a blast down low. The thing that separates this from the sstt is this tune pulls great up top too where the sstt let you down quite a bit. Also the power all around is a decent step up from the sstt. I would say jb2H without all the messing around with the ecu and the boost solenoid tubes.Its pretty much right where they said it would be..between jb2 and jb3.Part throttle yields some serious pull and is what makes it so fun.nice shove down low and great pull up top. For people with the sstt if I had my choice I would choose the JB+ because you get more power all around and its cool how it is upgradable.Its like a perfected version of the sstt or the infamous and apparently non existent sstt 2 that was rumored to come out a while back. Customers who do not want to enter the ecu area will love this tune. You buy it, simply put it on, and your car right away is a lot more powerful and fun to drive. You cant ask for much more from this type of tune. I think terry has a good product with this one.Its perfect for this niche in the n54 community.If your thinking about it, go for it. my .02. __________________ 2021 M5 COMPETITION LCI Brands Hatch Gray on SIlverstone, carbon roof, comp wheels, Mperf splitter, carbon pro spoiler, carbon diffuser , carbon paddles, executive pkg. Dinan HAS, RaceChip, dinan spacers, FC stud kit, etc
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BzzzBom Major 99 Rep 1,216 Posts Drives: 05 R53 MINI / 09 335i Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	Since neither the SSTT nor the JB+ changes the fuel map shouldn't they provide the same performance throughout the rpms at a given level of boost?
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Dan335i Lieutenant Colonel 33 Rep 1,786 Posts Drives: 07 335i coupe 6MT,w/sp. pack. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: orange county NY iTrader: (2)	I,m wondering if the extra 1psi of boost would make it detectable to the dealer.I,m very happy with my SSTT and will keep it.It pulls off idle to the redline without any drop off in power like some people claim.I,m not knocking the JB+ at all as i think its fantastic from the reviews so far.And i know BMS makes quality performance parts that work.I have the BMS intake along with my SSTT.My first tune was a JB1 and i liked the nice little bump in power.So now i,m at the SSTT level and am enjoying it until, or if i decide i want some more oomph.But right now i,m happy with the Filter and TT.Also getting 19.5mpg local with very spirited driving most of the time.Spirited not abusive!
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Scimitar335i Major 222 Rep 1,313 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (12)	Those who are happy with the SSTT stick with the SSTT.. The JB+ is a tweaked SSTT and it's ease of use is to cut into the SSTT's market. The adjustable part was a HUGE draw-in for me. Especially now that there is a local autoshop with a GT1 scanner that can delete codes in the evendt anything happens or if I need to take the car into the dealer.. I am going to crank this mofo up!!! __________________ 2007 TiAg e90 335i sport. Yes, The e90 "Mustache" is cool!
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sd390r Lieutenant Colonel 66 Rep 1,654 Posts Drives: AW M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (9) Garage List 2008 E90 335i [0.00]	I dont know why someone wouldnt just get a stage 3 tune lol even if youre going to run it on a low boost map why put save a hundred or two and put something inferior on a 40k+ car __________________ 2008 E90 M3 - Sold 2006 Evo IX SE - Sold 2008 E90 335i - Sold
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Mike@N54Tuning.com Joint Chiefs of Staff 5098 Rep 116,225 Posts Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: N54tuning.com iTrader: (89)	Glad you tried it out! It's a great entry level tune, or one for those worried about warranty work. You can have it on and off in a matter of minutes without going in the ECU and adjust the boost gains from 2-5psi in 1/2psi increments. For 29.2+ cars the "safe" setting is in the 2.5psi range, but you can always go to 3.5psi and risk it. Or go all the way to 5psi and locate a GT1 before service! Of course pre 29.2 cars don't have to worry about manipulation codes. At the highest boost levels (> 4psi) an additional vacuum line may need to be added for some ECU versions. Something BMS is testing now. Mike
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Evangelo2 Private First Class 24 Rep 172 Posts Drives: 2009 335 m sport Coupe 6-speed Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	Hey guys, Im looking at getting a 09 335 E92 soon and was thinking about the SSTT. I have read a lot in the forum and am new to turbo cars but I think I would trade some performance for peace of mind. Ic an't seem to find exactly how much extra boost the SSTT is pushing? Im guessing it is 2.5 since that is the lower end of the JB3+? Is that correct? I have also read that the SSTT can not be detected by the stealership if you remove before service visits. That is also true, right? Lastly, anyone know if there is a shop in the NY Metro area (preferably LI) with a GT1 to clear any codes Thanks guys and love this forum! -Evangelo2
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