[S4to335]

What do you guys think? Less stress might allow me to actually track it...without pushing the envelope. Yes, no, maybe? Then if I get the codes..I can limp back to the dealership..and it can be said the issue is NOT due to the Dinan tune.

[jbass524]

Do it!!! The car is fast enough with the stock bits IMHO.

Here's the deal. If I break 2:00 (with proof) at Infineon on Friday then take it out?

That'll be a good trick if I can do that.

[leftcoastman]

Unless you're dying to keep it stock or Dinan, I would recommend an earlier version of the Procede.

If you can get the V2 (Version TWO, not the latest V3) hardware and harness, I can send you the map that has worked for me for the past 15 limp-less track days. You can probably get it on the forsale forum for dirt cheap.

I asked around to see if V3 is track worthy, but no track users have responded. You can find my thread on the main FI forum.

I am holding off on buying V3 right now, but I can tell you my specific V2 map has worked for me for 15 days.

[S4to335]

I am just trying to get a trackable car back...albeit slightly slower..I am not willing to buy any additional tunes..I am really trying to buy one of these two..

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/1076854619.html

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/1076639090.html

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by S4to335

What do you guys think? Less stress might allow me to actually track it...without pushing the envelope. Yes, no, maybe? Then if I get the codes..I can limp back to the dealership..and it can be said the issue is NOT due to the Dinan tune.

I am a firm believer that the moment you have major warranty work done, you car is toast. Once you "break the seal" on a factory engine (turbo replacement etc) new problems will surface.

[nicknaz]

Seems like the cooling is insufficient for stock and adding power also adds more heat. I think bringing the engine back to stock tune makes a lot of sense.

[double35]

I did the same. But by switching to a similar mileage E46 M3.

[Dascamel]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

Seems like the cooling is insufficient for stock and adding power also adds more heat. I think bringing the engine back to stock tune makes a lot of sense.

+1

[leftcoastman]

It is not as simple as "Tune = limp".

Like I said, I had limps galore with previous versions of Procede (track only). I played around with an incarnate of V2 and I have had 15 track days without a single limp mode. And only 4 of those were with the upgraded oil cooler.

Regardless, whenever my limps happened in the past, oil temps were definitely below 300 degrees.

I REALLY would like to upgrade to V3 but am not confident that it is limp free on track. And Shiv doesn't appear to want to give me a money back guarantee. No way I'm buying an upgrade that might be useless to me.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Regardless, whenever my limps happened in the past, oil temps were definitely below 300 degrees.

I've been stalking 335 (and g37/370z/EVOX/STi) track issues for some time to gather tech for my next car purchase so this is very interesting

if you people have gotten limp mode while stock and you have not with this modified set of maps, what is the difference?

by the way if it isn't high oil temps (or getting passed by a spec miata) what else can trigger 'limp mode'.

[jbass524]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

...by the way if it isn't high oil temps (or getting passed by a spec miata) what else can trigger 'limp mode'.

You finally got me back for my 328 comment months ago.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by jbass524

You finally got me back for my 328 comment months ago.

No no, wasn't directed at anyone. was just trying to make a silly joke on 'limp mode' (colleagues are working on studies involving 'ED' (no not european delivery)) and some of the 'humor' must have rubbed off on me

[jbass524]

I always take it on good humor. It was the spec Miata part of the statement. No spec Miatas. Ok, maybe a few

BTW, what about the ED? My GF is incredibly ugly and I may need some of your information to keep the relationship going .

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

It is not as simple as "Tune = limp".

Like I said, I had limps galore with previous versions of Procede (track only). I played around with an incarnate of V2 and I have had 15 track days without a single limp mode. And only 4 of those were with the upgraded oil cooler.

Regardless, whenever my limps happened in the past, oil temps were definitely below 300 degrees.

I REALLY would like to upgrade to V3 but am not confident that it is limp free on track. And Shiv doesn't appear to want to give me a money back guarantee. No way I'm buying an upgrade that might be useless to me.

Boost target not reached.
Coolant temp too high (hello slushbox)
excessive ignition retard
fuel pressure not plausible
etc.
etc.
etc.

FYI - can't say I've ever had limp when I'm stock. Oil temps don't change much, however. Yes, it's reliable, but damn it's sloooooow.

[mike-y]

seems like an easy decision to me. GET THAT 95 NA!! It's already setup for track days, and I bet it would be more fun than the e90. Don't get me wrong, the e90 is great (and fast), but it seems like you haven't had the best of luck with yours, and track days are no fun when your car breaks or has problems. Plus, you can keep the dinan tune for the street and still enjoy the car.

If you don't get the miata, I'd remove the dinan tune. you seem to be plenty fast without it, and if it means the car is more reliable on track days, then it's a no-brainer imo.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by mike-y

seems like an easy decision to me. GET THAT 95 NA!! It's already setup for track days, and I bet it would be more fun than the e90. Don't get me wrong, the e90 is great (and fast), but it seems like you haven't had the best of luck with yours, and track days are no fun when your car breaks or has problems. Plus, you can keep the dinan tune for the street and still enjoy the car.

If you don't get the miata, I'd remove the dinan tune. you seem to be plenty fast without it, and if it means the car is more reliable on track days, then it's a no-brainer imo.

Not sure if I agree that the 95 E36M3 is track ready. My area has a LOOOOT of them and the only guy who can get close to keeping up with me has spent about $25k on his E36 (above and beyond the car cost) and has removed most of his interior. And he's a far better driver than me, admittedly.

He's also ripped his rear shock mounts out more than once. There is no panacea.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

Not sure if I agree that the 95 E36M3 is track ready. My area has a LOOOOT of them and the only guy who can get close to keeping up with me has spent about $25k on his E36 (above and beyond the car cost) and has removed most of his interior. And he's a far better driver than me, admittedly.

He's also ripped his rear shock mounts out more than once. There is no panacea.

I think he's taking about a '95 miata that already has some modifications that the OP posted in a link

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by jbass524

BTW, what about the ED? My GF is incredibly ugly and I may need some of your information to keep the relationship going .

Here's all you need to know

[Mr. 5]

Do you think the cel issues are related to oil temps?
I've said it before, but I've had issues with my wastegates sticking open and that has resulted in a CEL.
If your wastegates are also sticking then it wouldn't matter if you have a tune or not.

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

I think he's taking about a '95 miata that already has some modifications that the OP posted in a link

Doh - you're right. I don't know anything about women-cars. :0

Just kidding.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by mike-y

seems like an easy decision to me. GET THAT 95 NA!! It's already setup for track days, and I bet it would be more fun than the e90. Don't get me wrong, the e90 is great (and fast), but it seems like you haven't had the best of luck with yours, and track days are no fun when your car breaks or has problems. Plus, you can keep the dinan tune for the street and still enjoy the car.

If you don't get the miata, I'd remove the dinan tune. you seem to be plenty fast without it, and if it means the car is more reliable on track days, then it's a no-brainer imo.

Still trying to get these craigslist guys to respond to emails so I can look at these cars...

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by S4to335

Still trying to get these craigslist guys to respond to emails so I can look at these cars...

friend in LA recently got a miata from a dealer who specializes in miatas in various states of modification. i think he had a good experience. PM if you want more details?