I find it interesting ...

StartupJunkie · 08-19-2010, 12:06 PM

*disclaimer, I'm a Vishnu customer

Recently, I've been noticing how much simpler and easier the Vishnu products are becoming. When in the past, you used to use its extensive logging and then dial in your features in a number of fields. Today, other than loading the new maps and using autotuning, you're done.

On the other JB3 forum (which I read without having an account there), it seems like there are a lot of board upgrades, resistor swapping, sending in logs and getting custom maps or map settings back. In the past, it seems like you set it and forget it.

It seems like these vendors have traded positions. This is a "just for fun" observation, I really don't know what to make of this.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Junk

forza1976 · 08-19-2010, 12:19 PM

ibtl...

but yeah I am pretty darn happy with simple map updates here and there and it just tunes itself. Way cool

scottp999 · 08-19-2010, 12:20 PM

I'm very happy with the progress that has been made. I'm sure the competition is working 'round the clock to come out with something to fill in the gaps.

michael1284 · 08-19-2010, 12:26 PM

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

fisherbln · 08-19-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by michael1284

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

+1. I read the other one too, but it is tough sometimes. Some users claim this is a Vishnu fan forum, but I think it is much closer to even than the other choice.

Clap135 · 08-19-2010, 12:37 PM

That forum is the way it is because its the same 10 people posting over and over again. You got Terry posting crap about logs look good. Cm posting tank and wiring g diagrams. Hotrod posting vbox times that no one,even Terry, can match. Mix in a little bit RB talk from lost marine add a touch of oldbooster travel k times and You have the last 12 months on n54 tech summarized.

Trojan4evr · 08-19-2010, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1284

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

Forum Wars. lets do it. I'm bored.

D.B.S · 08-19-2010, 01:12 PM

Got to take everything with a Grain of Salt...

When I had my E90, it was tuned with a PROcede, but now that i have my N55 X5, I'm looking to beta test the JB3... Does that make me a traitor? Probably in some people's eyes on this forum...

BUT, until Vishnu/Shiv come out with the new Harness/Firmware for the PROcede, why should I wait to be tuned?

IF I can help one Tuner or the other, or both, why shouldn't I? I don't plan on selling my PROcede, and I probably will buy the JB3 when it comes out of beta for the N55, and still have the PROcede and be able to test it out and give a pro's and con's of the BMS and VISHNU N55 piggyback system later on.

Each tune (and tuner) have their good and bad points. But if you let yourself to swayed to one side or the other, your not open minded enough for either one... My .02 cents... Take it how you will... But I don't think a Forum War is needed...

Just understand that it should be constructive criticism, and not fanboism...

fisherbln · 08-19-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Clap135

That forum is the way it is because its the same 10 people posting over and over again. You got Terry posting crap about logs look good. Cm posting tank and wiring g diagrams. Hotrod posting vbox times that no one,even Terry, can match. Mix in a little bit RB talk from lost marine add a touch of oldbooster travel k times and You have the last 12 months on n54 tech summarized.

You forgot the post a link to e90post that Shiv posted in and make fun of him. Those posts devalue that forum more than any other IMHO.

TwinTurboXI · 08-19-2010, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1284

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

Well the other forum is owned and run by BMS...

ar design · 08-19-2010, 02:02 PM

I still don't understand how everyone is ignoring the ONLY completely user tuneable solution from CP-e.......

forza1976 · 08-19-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ar design

I still don't understand how everyone is ignoring the ONLY completely user tuneable solution from CP-e.......

Probalby Andrew because isn't as prevalant as the other tunes... We just don't hear too many folks talk about the cpe tune. It may very well be great but it's not been (documented/real world tested) much by users of the forum.

CT_335i · 08-19-2010, 02:19 PM

I skulk in the other forum and found this thread.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6729
---> Recycling Procede.

I prefer this forum b/c it appears to have more cooler, less opinionated heads.

Calvin@Vishnu · 08-19-2010, 02:25 PM

My favorite bit is when Terry made an avatar of Shiv's face

Trojan4evr · 08-19-2010, 03:29 PM

^^

Darkcyd_Turbo · 08-19-2010, 03:45 PM

I would like to award this thread with "Today's Most Useless Thread" award....

All this is gonna do is start an argument amongst fellow members and have NO REAL/RELEVANT INFORMATION to help the community grow.

Let the shit talking begin...oh wait, it already has.

StartupJunkie · 08-19-2010, 03:47 PM

I guess we're diverging from my original point ... but its entertaining.

Vishnu originally marketed as a system with lots of end user tuning settings, that was perceived as "complicated". Now with autotuning, its simple and better (you still have option to make it complicated if you like).

BMS was originally marketed as a simple plug and play system. But it seems like they've moved to a more complicated implementation. The board swaps, different fueling resistors, send Terry logs (not just the screenshots of the logs) and he'll send you settings.

Junk

Alan l. · 08-19-2010, 03:48 PM

I would have to agree. With JB3 2.0 there seems to be tons of user adjustable parameters that you have to mess with or you risk CEL's and limp modes. I was attracted to the JB3 in the beginning due to the simplistic set it and forget it approach but that changed dramatically with 2.0 which is why I stuck with 1.4 when i had my JB3. I tried 2.0 and didn't notice it being any smoother than 1.4 like people claimed and i got limp mode which i never did before with 1.4.

Now with the procede updating the firmware and maps couldn't be any easier compared to my old days of pulling the device out and removing the actual chip all of the time.

Both tunes cater to different people and have a different price point.

Alan

Darkcyd_Turbo · 08-19-2010, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1284

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

I know someone already mentioned it but the "other forum" IS OWNED/OPERATED BY BMS...JUST LIKE VISHNU HAS THEIR OWN FORUM FOR SUPPORT AND SUCH. I guess vishnu's forum is a fanboy one too, correct? Man, that just makes too much sense doesn't it.

Wow, really guys, I'm not arguing for either tuner...competition benefits us ALL as a consumer. But there are just ignorant comments popping up everywhere. ::HINT::HINT:: look at quoted post in grey.

I usually try to stay out of threads like this but damn...this is benefitting no one. lol

I'm out, you guys can argue amongst yourselves now...

techlogik · 08-19-2010, 04:17 PM

I just wish Vishnu would put together a better install video...when Shiv tells people to look at Terry's...makes you wonder...

oc_bimmer · 08-19-2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1284

funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime.

then why are you visiting that forum?
btw it's way worse here on this board, procede nuthuggers are constantly bashing the jb3 for no reason just to justify their decision why they paid almost twice as much for their tune.

Calvin@Vishnu · 08-19-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkcyd_Turbo

I know someone already mentioned it but the "other forum" IS OWNED/OPERATED BY BMS...JUST LIKE VISHNU HAS THEIR OWN FORUM FOR SUPPORT AND SUCH. I guess vishnu's forum is a fanboy one too, correct? Man, that just makes too much sense doesn't it.

Have you seen our forum (www.vishnutuningforum.com)? It's not a discussion forum. It's a read-only customer resource forum. We are the in the tuning business, not the discussion forum business. And i think that shows give the current state of our tuning products

08-19-2010, 12:06 PM	#1
StartupJunkie First Lieutenant 31 Rep 314 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Sedan+2 Baby Seats Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SF South Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	I find it interesting ... disclaimer, I'm a Vishnu customer Recently, I've been noticing how much simpler and easier the Vishnu products are becoming. When in the past, you used to use its extensive logging and then dial in your features in a number of fields. Today, other than loading the new maps and using autotuning, you're done. On the other JB3 forum (which I read without having an account there), it seems like there are a lot of board upgrades, resistor swapping, sending in logs and getting custom maps or map settings back. In the past, it seems like you set it and forget it. It seems like these vendors have traded positions. This is a "just for fun" observation, I really don't know what to make of this. Has anyone else noticed this? Junk __________________ 11.535@124.423mph (1.641 60') - AutoTune 7-27, Race+Meth, Best ET w/ only 80% throttle 1st and 2nd 11.647@121.356mph (1.590 60') - AutoTune (beta pre-5-15), Race Gas, No METH Perf Mods: Vishnu PROcede Rev3 v5, Vishnu PWM Meth Kit, AR Design DPs, AE Exhaust, Helix FMIC, Vishnu DCI, Forge DV, WaveTrac LSD (Best Trap - 124.665mph)*
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forza1976 Major General 3521 Rep 6,628 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 49456 iTrader: (13) Garage List 2022 BMW M3X [9.50]	ibtl... but yeah I am pretty darn happy with simple map updates here and there and it just tunes itself. Way cool
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scottp999 Brigadier General 138 Rep 4,764 Posts Drives: 4runner SR5 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: MD iTrader: (2) Garage List 2007 BMW 335 [9.00]	I'm very happy with the progress that has been made. I'm sure the competition is working 'round the clock to come out with something to fill in the gaps.
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michael1284 Colonel 266 Rep 2,647 Posts Drives: 2018 M3 Comp Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: DFW iTrader: (45)	funny how much of a jb3 fanboy forum the other one has become. was reading it today and it does get kind of annoying having to filter through all the crap everytime. __________________ e92, e90, f30 #DieselLife, e46, f80
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Clap135 Brigadier General 106 Rep 3,460 Posts Drives: 2009 N54 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sticky's Mom House iTrader: (1)	That forum is the way it is because its the same 10 people posting over and over again. You got Terry posting crap about logs look good. Cm posting tank and wiring g diagrams. Hotrod posting vbox times that no one,even Terry, can match. Mix in a little bit RB talk from lost marine add a touch of oldbooster travel k times and You have the last 12 months on n54 tech summarized.
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D.B.S Lieutenant Colonel 30 Rep 1,748 Posts Drives: '11 X5 35i / '13 S5 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Deployed to Kuwait iTrader: (2)	Got to take everything with a Grain of Salt... When I had my E90, it was tuned with a PROcede, but now that i have my N55 X5, I'm looking to beta test the JB3... Does that make me a traitor? Probably in some people's eyes on this forum... BUT, until Vishnu/Shiv come out with the new Harness/Firmware for the PROcede, why should I wait to be tuned? IF I can help one Tuner or the other, or both, why shouldn't I? I don't plan on selling my PROcede, and I probably will buy the JB3 when it comes out of beta for the N55, and still have the PROcede and be able to test it out and give a pro's and con's of the BMS and VISHNU N55 piggyback system later on. Each tune (and tuner) have their good and bad points. But if you let yourself to swayed to one side or the other, your not open minded enough for either one... My .02 cents... Take it how you will... But I don't think a Forum War is needed... Just understand that it should be constructive criticism, and not fanboism... __________________ BMW X5 35i: Boopie Exhaust & Intercooler, K&N Drop in Filter, JB3 (3+ psi) 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T: CAI, Catch Can, Custom Exhaust, Headers, 87MM Throttle Body, Diablo Custom 93 OCT Tune
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CT_335i Private 0 Rep 80 Posts Drives: 335i Monaco Blue, E90 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (1)	I skulk in the other forum and found this thread. http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6729 ---> Recycling Procede. I prefer this forum b/c it appears to have more cooler, less opinionated heads.
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08-19-2010, 03:47 PM	#17
StartupJunkie First Lieutenant 31 Rep 314 Posts Drives: 07 BMW 335i Sedan+2 Baby Seats Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SF South Bay Area, CA iTrader: (0)	I guess we're diverging from my original point ... but its entertaining. Vishnu originally marketed as a system with lots of end user tuning settings, that was perceived as "complicated". Now with autotuning, its simple and better (you still have option to make it complicated if you like). BMS was originally marketed as a simple plug and play system. But it seems like they've moved to a more complicated implementation. The board swaps, different fueling resistors, send Terry logs (not just the screenshots of the logs) and he'll send you settings. Junk __________________ 11.535@124.423mph (1.641 60') - AutoTune 7-27, Race+Meth, Best ET w/ only 80% throttle 1st and 2nd 11.647@121.356mph (1.590 60') - AutoTune (beta pre-5-15), Race Gas, No METH Perf Mods: Vishnu PROcede Rev3 v5, Vishnu PWM Meth Kit, AR Design DPs, AE Exhaust, Helix FMIC, Vishnu DCI, Forge DV, WaveTrac LSD (Best Trap - 124.665mph)
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08-19-2010, 03:48 PM	#18
Alan l. Major General 5943 Rep 9,105 Posts Drives: 2020 F95 X5M Competition Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: United States iTrader: (9)	I would have to agree. With JB3 2.0 there seems to be tons of user adjustable parameters that you have to mess with or you risk CEL's and limp modes. I was attracted to the JB3 in the beginning due to the simplistic set it and forget it approach but that changed dramatically with 2.0 which is why I stuck with 1.4 when i had my JB3. I tried 2.0 and didn't notice it being any smoother than 1.4 like people claimed and i got limp mode which i never did before with 1.4. Now with the procede updating the firmware and maps couldn't be any easier compared to my old days of pulling the device out and removing the actual chip all of the time. Both tunes cater to different people and have a different price point. Alan __________________
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techlogik Lieutenant Colonel 71 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: 2020 M340i Dravit Grey Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL iTrader: (2)	I just wish Vishnu would put together a better install video...when Shiv tells people to look at Terry's...makes you wonder... __________________ 2020 M340i: Dravit Grey Mettalic. Loaded.
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