[cleex024]

Hey guys I am not trying to start an argument here...I just want to know the best route for what I need. I am not looking for crazy gains like +200 whp or something like that since I am not going to do any upgrades to down pipes, exhaust or intake (maybe ae exhaust...MAYBE). Recently my friend took me for a drive in his 335i dinan stage 3 and that thing pulls so hard it got me light headed LOL. I like his car but that is just way too much money spent for an upgrade that I will not be able to get back in the end.

Sooo I am looking for about +80 whp and +80 wtq on basically completely stock car and I want a little better throttle response like in the e46 m3 sport button. Also I want to keep about the same mpg as I do now...but I dont know if thats even possible with the new mixture. I really had my mind set on the jb4 because of cost and ease of install and use...however I just read about the Cobb AP but I dont know enough of either to really make a decision on either the flash or pnp piggys. I have read so much about it but still dont know too much about it (I am doing my research and not just asking).

Please if someone has had both of the systems any kind of assistance would be greatly appreciated. My head hurts from doing all this reading. I even looked into the JB+, but doesnt seem like it is going to give me enough gains.

[franzzz]

Dinan is the best way for a perfect tune for 80Cv.
It's my think

[tscdennab]

Haha...OP, are you joking ? You're not looking for much, just 80whp ? Dinan Stage 3 makes less than that.

The best you can make safely on a stock car is around 45-50whp. Cobb is way too aggressive for a stock car, in my opinion. I consider it a very promising tune, one that it is worth the investment in it, but you really need an intercooler (for low IATs and less chance of knock) and a catless exhaust with stock downpipes (for lower EGTs) for real safety on that kind of power. I for one am not a fan of piggybacks.

[**335i**]

i think that v5 (procede) ic, catlless dps is all that you need for power, maybe exhaust...maybe

[kanecvl]

do this...
einey, meiny, miney, moe song and pick one. Thats it.

[DdotRoq]

I can't respond by experience (partially), but I will respond by research and my thoughts.

I used to have JB 3 years ago in a 335i. Now, I am leaning towards the PROcede v5 or Dinan, simply because Dinan offers power with safe reliability and PROcede offers full control of your car with reliability, however the reliability is incomparable to Dinan. Cobb, on the other hand, is ruthless power, possibly the most out of all of them, however you may experience knock, issues, etc., and thus, offers lower reliability. Lastly, while I owned a juicebox, it pretty much gives you power without control. It's not as powerful as Cobb, nor the rest, though it does trail closely. Like the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", hence why Dinan is so expensive.

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by DdotRoq

I can't respond by experience (partially), but I will respond by research and my thoughts.

I used to have JB 3 years ago in a 335i. Now, I am leaning towards the PROcede v5 or Dinan, simply because Dinan offers power with safe reliability and PROcede offers full control of your car with reliability, however the reliability is incomparable to Dinan. Cobb, on the other hand, is ruthless power, possibly the most out of all of them, however you may experience knock, issues, etc., and thus, offers lower reliability. Lastly, while I owned a juicebox, it pretty much gives you power without control. It's not as powerful as Cobb, nor the rest, though it does trail closely. Like the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", hence why Dinan is so expensive.

Hold on, you are saying the JB doesn't produce as much power as Cobb or the rest? That is not remotely true. There are distinct differences, but from a power standpoint, the piggybacks own that part of the battle.

[ianthegreat]

Originally Posted by DdotRoq

I can't respond by experience (partially), but I will respond by research and my thoughts.

I used to have JB 3 years ago in a 335i. Now, I am leaning towards the PROcede v5 or Dinan, simply because Dinan offers power with safe reliability and PROcede offers full control of your car with reliability, however the reliability is incomparable to Dinan. Cobb, on the other hand, is ruthless power, possibly the most out of all of them, however you may experience knock, issues, etc., and thus, offers lower reliability. Lastly, while I owned a juicebox, it pretty much gives you power without control. It's not as powerful as Cobb, nor the rest, though it does trail closely. Like the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", hence why Dinan is so expensive.

In the 3 years your ran the JB did you ever have an engine problem? Just curious. I love e90.

Cobb being the most powerful.

[BMWsky]

From my oversimplistic perspective:

Cobb is going to be easier from a plug and play perspective and get closer to what you're looking for bone stock.

JB or Vishnu are more tweakable but require a little more effort to install/uninstall and seem to get better and better the more you mod your car.

[dc5_champ88]

these threads are a dime a dozen

[stevenc]

Jb4 is phenominal and I love mine, however if you are not going to do other mods, buy the cobb and move on. Its ease of install and uninstall is unmatched and power is reasonable.

[MeinBMW]

If you don't want to mod a lot you're best bet is to just get a JB+ (get one used for ~$150) plug it in and enjoy ... it's quick and easy to install/remove ... gives you some decent gains and it's safe

Then if you get the mod bug and want to do intake/IC/DP, then just sell it and go for something more aggressive ... JB/Procede/Cobb/GIAC

[cleex024]

Well seems like you guys are saying that I should get dps and ic for the cobb but it specifically says do not install any of these and make sure its completely stock to run cobb on their site. Otherwise you are going to alter the gains maybe in a negative way because it was built completely for stock 335i.

And what about responsiveness on throttle? I feel like I have to push too far on the pedal to get gas lol...any of these fix this issue? Also even with pretty decent gains im not worried about warranty because I am not planning on burning this thing up...I will probably just push it once in a while when I pull up to an M3 or something.

Is cobb really pushing out more whp than dinan stage 3?

[Bimmer This]

Originally Posted by dc5_champ88

these threads are a dime a dozen

+1

[bigdaddycane]

I can't respond by experience (partially), but I will respond by research and my thoughts.

I used to have JB 3 years ago in a 335i. Now, I am leaning towards the PROcede v5 or Dinan, simply because Dinan offers power with safe reliability and PROcede offers full control of your car with reliability, however the reliability is incomparable to Dinan. Cobb, on the other hand, is ruthless power, possibly the most out of all of them, however you may experience knock, issues, etc., and thus, offers lower reliability. Lastly, while I owned a juicebox, it pretty much gives you power without control. It's not as powerful as Cobb, nor the rest, though it does trail closely. Like the saying goes, "you get what you pay for", hence why Dinan is so expensive.

This is truly one of the worst posts I have ever read on this forum.

So now COBB's software can't control knock? Where the F did you get that from? Ruthless power? LOL....as opposed to what, Gentle power?

Dinan is so expensive because Steve Dinan is a WHORE....he charges what he does BECAUSE HE CAN; has nothing to do with "you get what you pay for".

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

And the misconceptions ensue.

[cleex024]

Originally Posted by bigdaddycane

Dinan is so expensive because Steve Dinan is a WHORE....he charges what he does BECAUSE HE CAN; has nothing to do with "you get what you pay for".

thats funny as hell...i just dont feel like paying so much money for Cobb if all it does is gain a little more than the JB+. might as well just get the JB+ right? And do these tunes get worse gas mileage and I dont mean because you floor it all the time.

[cleex024]

also what is wrong with piggy systems? some people seem to like the flash over piggys but why?

[BMWsky]

Originally Posted by cleex024

also what is wrong with piggy systems? some people seem to like the flash over piggys but why?

Nothing is wrong with them. The only issue is that if you take the car to the dealer and want to keep the tune a secret, you have to open up the ECU and remove it. (A 20 minute procedure give or take your proficiency.)

[ZTUNER]

Originally Posted by cleex024

thats funny as hell...i just dont feel like paying so much money for Cobb if all it does is gain a little more than the JB+. might as well just get the JB+ right? And do these tunes get worse gas mileage and I dont mean because you floor it all the time.

ever log both ? If you do you will see why cobb is far superior to jb+

[cleex024]

I have not logged either, but seems like cobb is about +80 whp and +110 wtq or so...while the jb+ is about +50-+60 whp and wtq. I am not sure how much of a difference this is and is the cobb really worth paying 900 for while I can get a used jb+ for 150? This is why im asking because im not sure how much of a difference 30 whp makes and how much 50 wtq makes.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

On an otherwise stock car they are the same power on paper..... Procede, Jb4, Cobb

Power under the curve will vary. As well as power delivery. As well as how they control the vehicle.


Comparing Jb+ to a cobb is apples and oranges.

One tricks the car into adding a couple more pounds of boost, the other is a vehicle specific flash tune with control of fuel boost and ignition.

Nothing against Jb+ it does what it does for its cost and represents it well, but there is no comparison.