[super88ta]

I just got word that the iPhone is 100% compatible with all the BMW Bluetooth systems. It supports the Object Push Profile, which is needed for the proper address book transfer. On the side, BMW & Apple have done extensive testing to ensure full compatibility with the BMW systems. Now I can wait inline for it and not have to worry about having to return it. Woo Hoo!

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by super88ta

I just got word that the iPhone is 100% compatible with all the BMW Bluetooth systems. It supports the Object Push Profile, which is needed for the proper address book transfer. On the side, BMW & Apple have done extensive testing to ensure full compatibility with the BMW systems. Now I can wait inline for it and not have to worry about having to return it. Woo Hoo!

Until the iPhone's "virtual keyboard" drives you so nuts that you decide to return it anyway. Try the BB Curve 8300...it's phenomenal and fully compatible with BMW bluetooth as well.

Many are predicting that a lot of ppl will buy the iPhone, only to return it within the 30-day period.

[gfrnk69]

whats so special about that phone again?

i have the blackberry 8830 and i think it's incredible!

[Alchem]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Until the iPhone's "virtual keyboard" drives you so nuts that you decide to return it anyway. Try the BB Curve 8300...it's phenomenal and fully compatible with BMW bluetooth as well.

Many are predicting that a lot of ppl will buy the iPhone, only to return it within the 30-day period.

lol
it will sell, the inteface is amazing go check out teh new ads on http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad4/hd.html
Great phone. Blackberry is for business users. iPhone is more for non business users..such as me a college student. I dont need enterprise or whatever push email.

Gimme a widescreen/touchscreen ipod and im set. iPhone takes it one step further with Wifi and phone capabilities. I plan to use Wifi and skip the Data plan, as i have wifi everywhere i go. Instead of having a iPod+Phone. I'll just have an iPhone:

[super88ta]

I guess the iPhone can relate to iDrive. Technologically superior, just not for those who can't get past the learning curve. I'll get it because of the multipoint touchscreen, internet capabilities and it has Wi-Fi!!! Way faster than any 3G or EDGE. Plus...$249 -- 8Gb ipod & $449 Blackberry = $700 bucks and you still have to carry two large objects in your pocket from the car to the office.
Now I can hand over my nano to my wife.

[gfrnk69]

Some pda phones have wifi and they dont seem to be a huge seller.

The xv6700 has wifi, touch screen, and it didnt sell for sh!t.

Seems like the iphone can play mp3's, which phone nowadays doesnt?

Only thing i think that's pretty cool is how it automatically turns to widescreen mode when u turn the phone sideways.

But thats not worth $600 bucks plus a 2yr contract.

Btw the Blackberry 8830 isnt just for business users, it plays mpegs, mp3s, wavs, etc.. AND works globally!

-Frank

[imolazhp_ci]

Originally Posted by Alchem

I plan to use Wifi and skip the Data plan, as i have wifi everywhere i go.

i don't know how you plan on doing that since they are REQUIRING you to sign up for a data plan. otherwise they won't sell it to you. they are releasing the details of the data plans which will be available a few days before launch. my buddy is a manager of a cingular store.

[imolazhp_ci]

Originally Posted by gfrnk69

Some pda phones have wifi and they dont seem to be a huge seller.

The xv6700 has wifi, touch screen, and it didnt sell for sh!t.

Seems like the iphone can play mp3's, which phone nowadays doesnt?

Only thing i think that's pretty cool is how it automatically turns to widescreen mode when u turn the phone sideways.

But thats not worth $600 bucks plus a 2yr contract.

Btw the Blackberry 8830 isnt just for business users, it plays mpegs, mp3s, wavs, etc.. AND works globally!

-Frank

so does any GSM phone.... that's why Verizon has "special" world phones. because they are still running on a CDMA joke of a network.

[gfrnk69]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

so does any GSM phone.... that's why Verizon has "special" world phones. because they are still running on a CDMA joke of a network.

Not ANY gsm phone, it has to be a quad band gsm phone and how is cdma a joke?

I had cingular a couple years ago, and the sound quality on cdma sounds by far superior IMO. Not to mention i get hardly any dropped calls now. IMO i feel gsm is a joke.
I Must admit tho Verizon seems to charge you for everything they can but it seems worth it for the service i get.

Most of my friends who switch to cdma from gsm seem to agree cdma sounds a lot better.

BTW, gsm phones wont work in China because they're starting to use CDMA in most of their major cities

-Frank

[imolazhp_ci]

Originally Posted by gfrnk69

Not ANY gsm phone, it has to be a quad band gsm phone and how is cdma a joke?

I had cingular a couple years ago, and the sound quality on cdma sounds by far superior IMO. Not to mention i get hardly any dropped calls now. IMO i feel gsm is a joke.
I Must admit tho Verizon seems to charge you for everything they can but it seems worth it for the service i get.

Most of my friends who switch to cdma from gsm seem to agree cdma sounds a lot better.

-Frank

yeah. a few years ago before they merged with ATT cingular was HORRIBLE. now there is nothing better. CDMA is a joke because NOBODY in the world uses it except Verizon and Sprint in the US. nowhere else in the world does any other company use CDMA... there is a reason.

[gfrnk69]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

yeah. a few years ago before they merged with ATT cingular was HORRIBLE. now there is nothing better. CDMA is a joke because NOBODY in the world uses it except Verizon and Sprint in the US. nowhere else in the world does any other company use CDMA... there is a reason.

Re-read my post about china

[imolazhp_ci]

Originally Posted by gfrnk69

Re-read my post about china

you have no post about china in this thread.

[drwtsn32]

Originally Posted by gfrnk69

i have the blackberry 8830 and i think it's incredible!

+1

I just got that phone and it rocks.

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Until the iPhone's "virtual keyboard" drives you so nuts that you decide to return it anyway. Try the BB Curve 8300...it's phenomenal and fully compatible with BMW bluetooth as well.

Many are predicting that a lot of ppl will buy the iPhone, only to return it within the 30-day period.

Where did you come up with this nonsense? More of the anti-iPhone FUD campaign?

Only a very limited number of people in the "public domain" have seen/used an iPhone... and those that have... are absolutely blown away by it. And as for the virtual keyboard... its performance has been reported as stunning.

Really, stop using Dvorak as a source for your info... he's not exactly running on all cylinders.

-Daniel

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by FourPtDrift

Where did you come up with this nonsense? More of the anti-iPhone FUD campaign?

Only a very limited number of people in the "public domain" have seen/used an iPhone... and those that have... are absolutely blown away by it. And as for the virtual keyboard... its performance has been reported as stunning.

Really, stop using Dvorak as a source for your info... he's not exactly running on all cylinders.

-Daniel

Who's Dvorak? . Just search the Internet and you'll find a lot of ppl, including experts who have already played with the iPhone, are predicting just what I said...a lot of ppl will buy it, and a lot of ppl will return it. Btw - yes, I have an iPod and my BB Curve has a 2MP camera, also plays video and .mp3s, and cost $200 (with an extended 2-yr. contract).

With that said, I do agree with Alchem that the iPhone will appeal more to younger, college student types (albeit the wealthier ones who can afford to buy a $600 cellphone ) rather than the business users.

[super88ta]

Just a quick question. I know the Blackberry pearl syncs your address book, but does the 8300 or whatever you have also?

[gfrnk69]

Originally Posted by super88ta

Just a quick question. I know the Blackberry pearl syncs your address book, but does the 8300 or whatever you have also?

Yes

[Alchem]

Originally Posted by gfrnk69

Some pda phones have wifi and they dont seem to be a huge seller.

The xv6700 has wifi, touch screen, and it didnt sell for sh!t.

Seems like the iphone can play mp3's, which phone nowadays doesnt?

Only thing i think that's pretty cool is how it automatically turns to widescreen mode when u turn the phone sideways.

But thats not worth $600 bucks plus a 2yr contract.

Btw the Blackberry 8830 isnt just for business users, it plays mpegs, mp3s, wavs, etc.. AND works globally!

-Frank

None of them have the interface and screen that iPhone has. Therefore no one uses their sucky features. Its like comparing the leather seats of a hyundai to a Maybach. Yea they are leather seats but its the quailty that counts.

[Alchem]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

i don't know how you plan on doing that since they are REQUIRING you to sign up for a data plan. otherwise they won't sell it to you. they are releasing the details of the data plans which will be available a few days before launch. my buddy is a manager of a cingular store.

Considering Apple stores are going to sell the iPhones and not activate it at store..thats sounds rather fake..

[ex-poster]

Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci

so does any GSM phone.... that's why Verizon has "special" world phones. because they are still running on a CDMA joke of a network.

Ahhh.... if you only knew what you were talking about...

...but you don't.

Hey, if CDMA is a joke, why did the GSM people use it for UMTS?

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by sflgator

Who's Dvorak? .

A third rate hack reporter who has made a living by being on the take for spinning stories against Apple for the purpose of hits. He's "featured" on Marketwatch.

Just search the Internet and you'll find a lot of ppl, including experts who have already played with the iPhone, are predicting just what I said...

Empty comment... that if you actually go through the motions will turn up dry.

Here's the reality. There is only a SINGLE DIGIT number of people who have used the iPhone and have been able to publicly report on its performance. And those that have used it and have reported on it, say that the keyboard's performance is fantastic - even faster than working with a traditional keyboard. The UI experience completely leapfrogs ANYTHING that the competition might offer. That is a fact. Claims of anything less are merely FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) being spread by an industry stricken with real fear itself.

You claim its real easy to find information that supports your position... fine. Give me three examples. No... scratch that... give me ONE example from one individual confirmed to have used the iPhone and writing as much in a recognized publication.

a lot of ppl will buy it, and a lot of ppl will return it.

Let's be clear, that's your OPINION. However, market data shows exactly the opposite. Since Changewave requires an account, here's a publicly listed reference for you:

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/13993/

Btw - yes, I have an iPod and my BB Curve has a 2MP camera, also plays video and .mp3s, and cost $200 (with an extended 2-yr. contract).

So?

With that said, I do agree with Alchem that the iPhone will appeal more to younger, college student types (albeit the wealthier ones who can afford to buy a $600 cellphone ) rather than the business users.

Again, your opinion. The reality is, there is SO much fear about the iPhone gaining traction in an enterprise market that the spin doctors like Gartner are already at it in the FUD game... and they've already been shot down.

This has all happened before. In 2001 with the iPod. And we're past 100 million of those sold by now. And iPhone's ascent will be much, much faster.

-Daniel

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by FourPtDrift

A third rate hack reporter who has made a living by being on the take for spinning stories against Apple for the purpose of hits. He's "featured" on Marketwatch.

Empty comment... that if you actually go through the motions will turn up dry.

Here's the reality. There is only a SINGLE DIGIT number of people who have used the iPhone and have been able to publicly report on its performance. And those that have used it and have reported on it, say that the keyboard's performance is fantastic - even faster than working with a traditional keyboard. The UI experience completely leapfrogs ANYTHING that the competition might offer. That is a fact. Claims of anything less are merely FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) being spread by an industry stricken with real fear itself.

You claim its real easy to find information that supports your position... fine. Give me three examples. No... scratch that... give me ONE example from one individual confirmed to have used the iPhone and writing as much in a recognized publication.



Let's be clear, that's your OPINION. However, market data shows exactly the opposite. Since Changewave requires an account, here's a publicly listed reference for you:

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/13993/



So?



Again, your opinion. The reality is, there is SO much fear about the iPhone gaining traction in an enterprise market that the spin doctors like Gartner are already at it in the FUD game... and they've already been shot down.

This has all happened before. In 2001 with the iPod. And we're past 100 million of those sold by now. And iPhone's ascent will be much, much faster.

-Daniel

Daniel,

You must be blind and stupid! Just one out of many discussions online about the upcoming iPhone...

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/...ustainability/

Some quotes from this article...

..."Lastly, where's the friggin' keyboard?! I keep hearing about this virtual touch-screen keyboard that's light-years beyond current technology. Sure, the vector-based browser rendering is awe-inspiring to look at, but the lack of a real keyboard will make browsing almost painful. And let's not even get into messaging technologies, such as consumer-based e-mail functionality and text messaging. I suppose this feature will be flagged as 'wait and see' before final judgement will be passed. I can only think of similar past innovations in virtualized keyboarding and the success rate of these products (and the fact that I cannot recall a single one succeeding is obviously having a biased impact on my assumptions of the iPhone's "keyboard").

The Apple iPhone will have early success; Apple and AT&T have all but ensured this fact. It's rare that Apple has failed with any product launch since the re-crowning of Steve Jobs and the first generation iMac. However, Apple has also been known to release rather faulty first generation products that tend to get better in the second and third and beyond generations - they never get it 'right' in the first go-round. Until the next generation iPhone is released, or until third-party application development and porting is opened up to allow integration within the messaging infrastructures of Corporate America, not web-based applications, do not expect to see long-term growth and sales figures to be anything to marvel about (although failed expectations may be mentioned in conversation).

Boy Genius: Jibi's made a great point — Corporate America won't embrace the iPhone. Nor should they. After all, this isn't targeted at the business market. This is a consumer product that enables the user to stay in touch through multimedia, occasional emailing, web browsing, and phone calls. When Apple set forth with their master plan to "revolutionize the mobile industry," they surely thought to themselves, "what market are we aiming for here?" I don't think that anyone in their right mind expects Fortune 500 companies (or even small businesses for that matter) to ditch their BES servers, and Exchange servers to switch 50,000 users to the iPhone. This is a consumer product, marketed towards consumers. I also think that when the hype has settled down, you will see a lot of enterprise users actually carrying this device. Yes, they will have two phones (as if they didn't already). They will still have a BlackBerry on their hip. RIM has "freed" a lot of suits from boredom and I think the iPhone will too — just in a different way. When you look at the grand master plan, it seems as if an Apple server nestled deep inside the wireless carriers network is required to enable all of the iPhone's features. Much like the T-Mobile Sidekick, or the BlackBerry. This is genius on two levels. One, it deters a number of people from using the handset outside of the intended network. Sure, people like us will either find a way to enable the features if possible, but if not we might be content with a touchscreen video iPod that can use WiFi to browse the web and check emails. Yet, I don't really see consumers shelling out $500-$600 for a product, and not be a little nervous about losing the internet and cellular functions if they've strayed from the intended carrier's network. Second point, is that the next Apple iPhone product we see, might actually be geared towards the corporate market. Apple will have a nice little head start by integrating these servers already. And lord help us if that happens. Anyone care to guess what the iPhone will sell the first week? My bet is around 250,000 handsets the first week. It's gonna' be a fun summer! What do you guys think?"