[taibanl]

Guys,

Car is in shop right now getting front bumper replaced and I am considering M-sport swap.

1) Do non-sport bumper have brake ducting?

2) Looking at the EURO M-sport retrofit (for335d), it says:

Important notice:
The installation instructions are not
included in the retrofit kit. Print out
the latest update of the instructions
from
the Aftersales Assistance Portal (ASAP)
and hand them over to the customer.
Important: On vehicles 335i and 335d
the installation kit 51 19 2 149 516,
performance cold air package for engine
and brakes, must also be installed to
prevent engine from overheating.

This has to be a typo, right because the intake is on the other side of the car?

In any case...could we reverse engineer that intake to fit?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195658

Has anyone done the swap and have the proper parts list?



I have the following

Full (front+rear) kit contents.....(for headlight washer bumper)

Kit number (not searchable in US): 51 95 2 147 161

OLD (non LCI) kit number (but avail in US): 51 95 0 409 694

Part number - Name - Supplement - Quantity

07 11 9 901 299 - Hex head screw - ST4,8X16-ZNS3 - 12

07 12 9 904 150 - Body nut - ST4,8-9-ZNS3 - 12

07 14 3 428 231 - Plastic bolt - SECHSKANT - 4

07 14 6 951 655 - Body nut - 6

07 14 6 959 923 - Torx bolt - ISA M6X18 SW - 4

07 14 7 129 160 - Hex head screw with washer - ST4,8X16MM - 32

07 14 7 151 963 - Hex head screw - 2

51 11 7 071 270 - Spacer - 4

51 11 7 891 395 - Grid lateral left - -M- - 1

51 11 7 891 396 - Grid lateral right - -M- - 1

51 11 7 891 397 - Support, fog lamp left - -M- - 1

51 11 7 891 398 - Support, fog lamp right - -M- - 1

51 11 7 891 399 - Drill hole template, licence plate front - M - 1

51 11 7 892 935 - Adapter underbonnet screen - -M- - 1

51 11 7 900 937 - Primed front bumper trim - -M- SRA - 1

51 11 8 047 365 - Grid, centre - -M- - 1

51 11 8 047 458 - Blind rivet - KUNSTSTOFF 6X25 - 5

51 12 7 906 501 - Bumper trim panel, rear, primed - -M- - 1

51 12 7 906 505 - Guide for bumper, side, left - 1

51 12 7 906 506 - Guide for bumper, side, right - 1

51 12 8 040 152 - Cover - -M- - 1

51 71 7 059 381 - Cover, wheel housing, rear left - 1

51 71 7 059 382 - Cover, wheel housing, rear right - 1

51 71 7 892 697 - Deflector lip left - -M- 1

51 71 7 892 698 - Deflector lip right - -M- - 1

51 77 7 166 871 - Rub plate, front left - 1

51 77 7 166 872 - Rub plate, front right - 1

51 77 7 166 873 - Rub plate, center left - 1

51 77 7 166 874 - Rub plate, center right - 1

51 77 7 166 875 - Rub plate, rear left - 1

51 77 7 166 876 - Rub plate, rear right - 1

51 77 8 041 141 - Sill trim, primed, left - -M- 1

51 77 8 041 142 - Sill trim, primed, right - -M- - 1

61 13 8 364 498 - Socket housing, grey - 2 POL. - 2

61 67 7 892 647 - Cover, spray nozzle, primed left - 1

61 67 7 892 648 - Cover, spray nozzle, primed right - 1

63 17 6 910 791 - Fog lights, left - 1

63 17 6 910 792 - Fog lights, right - 1

01 29 2 147 159 - Installation instructions - 1

Non-included parts required...

Only in conjunction with


· Front left brake air duct 51 74 7 891 379

· Front right brake air duct 51 74 7 891 380

· Cover, bottom left 51 71 7 892 801

· Cover, bottom right 51 71 7 892 802

· Filling insert left 51 71 8 044 575

· Filling insert right 51 71 8 044 576

· Insert, bumper, rear 51 12 7 892 269

I guess I need to go through this and see which parts are not US and/or not already on the car/ don't need replacement.

Does anyone have any general comments????

What's the deal with the brake ducting?

[cssnms]

taibanl as discussed via pm, the non msport bumper has brake ducts as does the msport - they are not universal. In other words you need to buy new brake ducts, wheel liners, radiator cowling etc. I am not sure what the "cold air package" is for engine you are referring to below. As far as I know the European msport bumper and US msport bumper are identical with exception to the lack of side marker/refelectors.

Whatever dealer is selling you the bumper should be able to tell you EXACTLY what you need to make for an OEM conversion.

[taibanl]

Direct link to parts list for US bumper trim (not the kit)

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E9...er_trim_panel/

Direct link to Euro kits:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E9...rodyn_package/

[taibanl]

Originally Posted by cssnms

taibanl as discuss via pm, the non msport bumper has brake ducks as does the msport - they are not universal. In other words you need to buy new brake ducts, wheel liners, radiator cowling etc. I am not sure what the "cold air package" is for engine you are referring to below. As far as I know the European msport bumper and US msport bumper are identical with exception to the lack of side marker/refelectors.

Whatever dealer is selling you the bumper should be able to tell you EXACTLY what you need to make for an OEM conversion.

I think the cold air intake (engine reference) was a misprint...but curious.

Trying to save $$ so thats why little support...dealer hasn't done this before..

The tischer part appears to be THIER package alone, and limited to front) (unlike euro kit which has a full retrofit package which is also front /sides and rear)

[taibanl]

Actual (US) M-sport bumper PNs:





1) M-sport bumper - 51118049257 - $435.65 - http://ebmwparts.com/parts/index.cfm...earch&make=BMW



2) Left mesh - 51117891395 - $20.14 - http://ebmwparts.com/parts/index.cfm...earch&make=BMW



3) Right Mesh - 51117891396 - $20.14 - http://ebmwparts.com/parts/index.cfm...earch&make=BMW



4)Center Mest - 51118047365 - $40.27 - http://ebmwparts.com/parts/index.cfm...&siteid=216397


5/6) i am interested in the fog light bracket/support that works with brake ducts 51117891397 51117891398

7...[more to follow]

[335dFan]

Am interested in where this process ends, as I have pondered doing the base 335d bumper swap to an M Sport bumper. I thought Evan at Tischer told me it was basically plug and play. But more than the cosmetics, I am interested in the brake cooling duct part. Does my base D have a brake cooling duct? Is there a way to improve that cooling aside from a customized solution?

I know this is a thread-jack question, so please address Tai's issues first and foremost. Just curious.

[cssnms]

I posted a parts list for the conversion for the US spec msport bumper under the cosmetic subforum a while back.

[cssnms]

Here it is,,,,

In addition to the bumper cover, below is a list of required parts to convert non-msport to a US spec msport (this is for an OEM fitment). Grills and side markers can be reused.

2 51-11-7-891-395 GRID LATERAL LEF 1 1 23.58 22
3 51-11-7-891-396 GRID LATERAL RIG 1 1 23.58 22
4 51-11-8-047-365 GRID, CENTER 1 1 21.80 22
5 51-11-7-891-397 SUPPORT, FOG LAM 1 1 4.91 22
6 51-11-7-891-398 SUPPORT, FOG LAM 1 1 4.91 22
7 63-17-6-910-791 FOG LIGHTS, LEFT 1 1 109.02 22
8 63-17-6-910-792 FOG LIGHTS, RIGH 1 1 109.02 22
9 51717792803 and 51717892804 R/L FENDER LINERS 57.74 ea
10 M- 51747891379 LEFT BRAKE DUCT
11 M- 51747891380 RIGHT BRAKE DUCT

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by cssnms

taibanl as discussed via pm, the non msport bumper has brake ducts as does the msport - they are not universal.

Originally Posted by 335dFan

But more than the cosmetics, I am interested in the brake cooling duct part. Does my base D have a brake cooling duct?

.

[335dFan]

Originally Posted by cssnms

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[taibanl]

Originally Posted by cssnms

Here it is,,,,

In addition to the bumper cover, below is a list of required parts to convert non-msport to a US spec msport (this is for an OEM fitment). Grills and side markers can be reused.

2 51-11-7-891-395 GRID LATERAL LEF 1 1 23.58 22
3 51-11-7-891-396 GRID LATERAL RIG 1 1 23.58 22
4 51-11-8-047-365 GRID, CENTER 1 1 21.80 22
5 51-11-7-891-397 SUPPORT, FOG LAM 1 1 4.91 22
6 51-11-7-891-398 SUPPORT, FOG LAM 1 1 4.91 22
7 63-17-6-910-791 FOG LIGHTS, LEFT 1 1 109.02 22
8 63-17-6-910-792 FOG LIGHTS, RIGH 1 1 109.02 22
9 51717792803 and 51717892804 R/L FENDER LINERS 57.74 ea
10 M- 51747891379 LEFT BRAKE DUCT
11 M- 51747891380 RIGHT BRAKE DUCT

Fixed

total is: $880.50 @ ebmwparts.com

[cssnms]

Originally Posted by taibanl

Fixed

total is: $880.50 @ ebmwparts.com

How much is shipping? Tischer's price is $995 plus $49 shipping.

[taibanl]

It was $30 but bumper had zero weight so not sure

[taibanl]

complete parts list w best prices i can find (click):

[TeamMancusoSW]

Originally Posted by taibanl

complete parts list w best prices i can find (click):

Doing same conversion this week.. Question about your vehicle does your car already have the headlight washers equipped? U have part number 51118049257 listed for vehicles with headlight cleaning system.. My car does not have the headlight washers would my correct part number be 51118049252 basic version?

[taibanl]

Originally Posted by TeamMancusoSW

Doing same conversion this week.. Question about your vehicle does your car already have the headlight washers equipped? U have part number 51118049257 listed for vehicles with headlight cleaning system.. My car does not have the headlight washers would my correct part number be 51118049252 basic version?

Yea. I parted it based on headlight washer. Sub the correct bumper cover for it.

[TeamMancusoSW]

Originally Posted by taibanl

Yea. I parted it based on headlight washer. Sub the correct bumper cover for it.

Okay just placed the order sub other part number.. Have you already done this mod?

[TeamMancusoSW]

Originally Posted by taibanl

complete parts list w best prices i can find (click):

What about tow hook cover? Is this required also or can it be swapped?
Part# 51117891391

[taibanl]

Originally Posted by TeamMancusoSW

What about tow hook cover? Is this required also or can it be swapped?
Part# 51117891391

It is different from base to m-sport

[taibanl]

Originally Posted by TeamMancusoSW

Okay just placed the order sub other part number.. Have you already done this mod?

After all my work i decided to stick with stock bumper and splitters

[AzureHaze]

Originally Posted by taibanl

After all my work i decided to stick with stock bumper and splitters

I don't blame you. The conversion is not as easy as some people would think. Definitely not cheap either. I want to do it so bad though!

[TeamMancusoSW]

Originally Posted by taibanl

After all my work i decided to stick with stock bumper and splitters

Guess I should have asked that before placing the order... So far parts total is $940.00 not including
tow hook cover (unpainted) 51 11 7 891 391
left deflector lip 51 71 7 892 697
right deflector lip 51 71 7 892 698
adaptor under bonnet screen 51 11 7 892 935

plus a yet unknown number of blind rivets and hex head screws to put it all together