[kjrulz]

Defacto....that date was just something I threw in. I'll update it now to push the date further out.

Also, if we can do it all on the same car, then we should. However if we can't, putting similar modified cars together on the same day on the same runs is pretty damn accurate. Also we'll be able to tell at what variables each car started with and what each one ended up with.

The point is to atleast get as many cars with different intercoolers in one spot.

The other way this test can be run is if all manufacturers send in a unit each to get tested on the same car, one after the other (after cool down and all other variables are controlled again).

[Alex@Helix]

Originally Posted by BOOSTED4DR

Hey I wouldnt mind goin to this ^^^^ Hey why do you keep sayin WAS are they not any good any more LOL....JKnnn

Yea REV! wtf! lol we are still outstanding

[BOOSTED4DR]

Just so you know im running Helix

[DefactoM6]

Originally Posted by kjrulz

Defacto....that date was just something I threw in. I'll update it now to push the date further out.

Also, if we can do it all on the same car, then we should. However if we can't, putting similar modified cars together on the same day on the same runs is pretty damn accurate. Also we'll be able to tell at what variables each car started with and what each one ended up with.

The point is to atleast get as many cars with different intercoolers in one spot.

The other way this test can be run is if all manufacturers send in a unit each to get tested on the same car, one after the other (after cool down and all other variables are controlled again).

Cool. IMO, if this data is going to be something that really helps the community determine performance once and for all, we really might as well do it right, and wait until all ducks are in a row. Here is what I think would provide the most effective layout of data for the benefit of all:

All tests done on one car
Same dyno (Helix's generous offer to host testing certainly sounds adequate)
Same day
A car owned by a third party
A car that has a stock IC on it already (gotta get a baseline)
No meth (messes with the data)

The manufacturers can yammer on all they want about the performance of their IC vs. competitors, but the truth is, until we perform a test like the above, it is just that...yammering. An independent test performed on the same car, same dyno, same day is what will REALLY demonstrate the performance of any IC versus others.

Because of this, I wholeheartedly believe that if any manufacturer of ICs REALLY wants to be taken seriously with their performance claims and their integrity, they will be happy to participate in this third party test.

If we can organize it so that all the ICs are at Helix's place, ready to go, I will offer up my car for the cause. I'm a third party, I have no party loyalty (I could care less if any other IC outperforms the one I purchased), and I have a car with pretty standard boltons, and ones which will really help reveal performance differences between the different ICs. Given the huge effect of ICs on a car with a V4 (autotuning really weighs heavily on IATs), this is an important variable that will aid in achieving the test objectives.

Oh PS, we are still forgetting a number of other ICs (Plus I thought that the VK was long gone?) Off the top of my head:

Forge
Stett
RPI
ER
UR
Agency Power

[jpsimon]

where is helix located, I might be able to pop in depending on date/time

[Alex@Helix]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

where is helix located, I might be able to pop in depending on date/time

Here is our address:

4648 Umbria St
Philadelphia 19127

[kjrulz]

I have a stock intercooler at the moment. Was ready to purchase but then shot this idea out. I think it'd be beneficial for everyone. So I'll be the guinea pig!

[DefactoM6]

Originally Posted by Alex@Helix

Here is our address:

4648 Umbria St
Philadelphia 19127

Oh nice, actually in Philly...so I can finally crash these UPenn parties while I'm there! I've only been hearing about them for 3 years...

KJ, have you sent this thread around to the listed manufacturers/distributors/retailers of these ICs? Probably would help to get their participation if they knew it's going on...

[kjrulz]

Originally Posted by DefactoM6

Oh nice, actually in Philly...so I can finally crash these UPenn parties while I'm there! I've only been hearing about them for 3 years...

KJ, have you sent this thread around to the listed manufacturers/distributors/retailers of these ICs? Probably would help to get their participation if they knew it's going on...

I've contacted a couple, but I should contact all. You're right and I'll do that now.

[HPF Chris]

What we've found testing intercoolers is that unless you have precise control of boost, the boost fluctuations will skew the results. All FMIC's should be tested on the same vehicle which will take a bit of work, and you will want to log boost on the dyno. The other thing to consider is that the larger FMIC's will do better under higher heat and higher power conditions. The smaller FMIC's will do better under lower heat and lower power conditions. We don't have a loading dyno, so we just ran the car from 1st through 5th so we could see how the FMIC did as the turbo generated more heat. Just food for thought.

Chris.

[DefactoM6]

Fortunately, at least with the tune I have on my car, boost is able to be pretty precisely controlled, as well as logged. Are you willing to put your IC up against the others, Chris?

[HPF Chris]

Originally Posted by DefactoM6

Fortunately, at least with the tune I have on my car, boost is able to be pretty precisely controlled, as well as logged. Are you willing to put your IC up against the others, Chris?

I certainly am. You could do multiple scenarios to make the test fair as a single gear dyno pull will favor a smaller FMIC and our FMIC is HUGE which is a big advantage on the track. Also, if you could run them on a 335i with a lot of other power upgrades, that would also benefit the larger FMIC as it is designed to flow upwards of 700-800rwhp.

Chris.

[STONEY_M5]

I've read alot and it seems like people are trying to cover there asses from now so if the test proves different from what they advertised they can always say.........

&

[DefactoM6]

I'm all for testing that will be accurate and demonstrative of all of the real-world conditions that one would find oneself in. No point in doing anything that would be one-sided.

[JBiddy]

So what kind of testing are you looking at doing? Dyno or Mexico runs?

[DefactoM6]

Lol...dyno runs, and it would be my goal to try and get in touch with CP-E to either borrow the superginormassive fan setup that accurately simulates airflow as it would be on the road, or to change venues and use their MD-500 and megafan. Load bearing dyno+superhumongus fan that actually simulates road wind+sensor setup= bullshit runs the marathon.

Though I'm sure there would be a few mexico runs just for fun...but certainly nothing scientific.

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by Alex@Helix

we can hold it at our shop. We have a dyno and we can do half street and half dyno testing

we can also use anthony's FLIR camera to show the intercoolers working OR not on the road!

for those not in the know a FLIR camera gives thermographic videos with exact temp data of any object in a realtime video format in this case the respective intercoolers!

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

i suggest same car testing back to back to back 10-100mph runs with a 30 second cool down(deceleration back to 10mph) time between runs with datalogs running the entire time, this will show:

Ait data, an indicator of efficiency
elapsed time from 10-100mph, an indicator of power
the intercoolers ability to thwart heatsoak
the intercoolers ability to recover

[TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management]

Originally Posted by HPF Chris

What we've found testing intercoolers is that unless you have precise control of boost, the boost fluctuations will skew the results. All FMIC's should be tested on the same vehicle which will take a bit of work, and you will want to log boost on the dyno. The other thing to consider is that the larger FMIC's will do better under higher heat and higher power conditions. The smaller FMIC's will do better under lower heat and lower power conditions. We don't have a loading dyno, so we just ran the car from 1st through 5th so we could see how the FMIC did as the turbo generated more heat. Just food for thought.

Chris.

We are willing to wrench on the car(probably have to start with an HPF car because the trimming has already been done for the thickest intercooler, we can use duct tape to fill in the missing plastic cowl on thinner intercoolers) at Helix to get this done on the same car/same day with independant third party running the datalogger etc! with the following criteria:

i suggest same car testing back to back to back 10-100mph runs with a 30 second cool down(deceleration back to 10mph) time between runs with datalogs running the entire time, this will show:

Ait data, an indicator of efficiency
elapsed time from 10-100mph, an indicator of power
the intercoolers ability to thwart heatsoak
the intercoolers ability to recover

OP PLEASE make this happen cause it will end alot of the BS on this site about this subject! We at Helix have been asking for this for over 2 years, nothing to hide-no excuses lets DO IT!

[madeinhongkong]

I got AA just need to get it installed..