[RichReg]

Originally Posted by ogrady

I mostly agree with you guys, but think about the case where a 325 owner puts a supercharger (assuming a supercharger will be available) in the car for $4-5k and gets performance better than a 330. Sure he just spent more than he would have on a 330 but he gets better performance and he can sell the supercharger and recoup a lot of the cost of modding when he sells the car. I don't plan on doing much engine-wise to my car (have a 330) but just thought of that situation where it's not so cut and dry "it's not going to be cost effective to make a 330i out of a 325i.

Yeah, I have to agree with CC.
I have gotten a few calls while trying to sell my 323Ci, but no one seems to give a damn about the $1500 worth of Dinan equipment I added. Or for the Alpina spoiler, A.C. Schnitzer mirrors & Momo Twin design wheels for that matter....

Incidentally, speaking of Dinan, I talked to one of their reps about two weeks ago and he said that mods for the new engines won't be available for about a year.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by blackE90

sorry this is a lil off topic but I'm curious how much will the 335i cost and what kind of numbers will it be putting up. In my experience with bmw you have to pay to play, i.e. more hp more dinero

blackE90;

In consideration of all the 'deals' people seem to be getting on these E90s, I would expect no less than an equivalent E46 ZHP mark-up, if and when a 335i ever comes along.

[CC 330i]

I would expect the 335i to cost somewhere around $45-47K (base) when (and indeed if) it comes out. The real cost will be over $50K though. Figure it would be less than the M3, which WAS costing about $55K.

I'll bet the E90 M3 will be about $60K base.

[noflash]

Originally Posted by CC 330i

You may get to 255 hp for less than $4-5000, but then you don't get bigger brakes, wheels, Xenons, etc.

One more time:

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COST EFFECTIVE TO MAKE A 330i OUT OF A 325i

I understand your frustration -- wasting your money on a 330i when you could've gotten the same performance out of a slightly modified 325i

Just f-ing with you.

The 325i I ordered doesn't have all the standard features, but I ordered Xenon and have never worried about the performance of the 325i's brakes. I'll drop $1500 in a CAI and chip when they're available.

So, now I'll have a fast sport sedan for $450/month instead of $650/month which I really can't afford. Why does that piss you off so?

[CC 330i]

Originally Posted by noflash

I'll drop $1500 in a CAI and chip when they're available.

So, now I'll have a fast sport sedan for $450/month instead of $650/month which I really can't afford. Why does that piss you off so?

It doesn't make me mad at all. I applaud you for making a decision that suits you, and buying the car you can afford right now. The 325 is a great car, and if I hadn't been looking at an Audi S4 (a car I couldn't afford) I would perhaps have considered a 325. But since I was hoping for 340 hp, I felt like it was bad enough to "settle" for a 330i. $40K was my price range, and I would rather have a 330i brand new, than an S4 a year old.

Plus, the big brakes and Logic 7, bigger clutch, better exhaust, etc. WERE important to me (I can understand if they weren't important to you). Understand that I DO value performance and I wanted the most performance that I could get RIGHT NOW for $40K. So I got a pretty stripped down 330i with Sport Package. Basically nothing else, for under 40K. If you want to wait "at least a year" according to Dinan for a few more horsepower, that's totally fine with me. I don't take away from your decision to go for a 325i. When they come out with their chips and other systems, I may put some on my car and add 15-20 horsepower too. No biggie.

I am simply tired of all the discussion about "just changing the intake" on a 325i and making it "as fast" as a 330i. There's a lot of differences between a 330i and 325i besides 40 horsepower. And the differences quickly add up if you wanted to retrofit them later. They would cost more than you saved buying a 325i.

The beauty of a BMW is the balance. The reason they put bigger brakes on the 330i is because they are matched to the power supplied with the more powerful engine. So if you add 40 horsepower to your 325i, and don't upgrade the brakes, you don't have as balanced of a package. It that doesn't bother you, then really, that's fine with me. If you aren't worried about your clutch wearing out because it is a smaller diameter and BMW didn't design it to handle 255 hp, that's fine with me. If the fact that you will have to spend $1200 minimum to get decent 18 inch rims, and then at least another $1000 to get 18 inch tires, then fine with me.

My point is this: If you want a 325i, great, buy one. It's a great car. But don't try to turn it into a 330i for less money than BMW could.

Read this thread:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=Exhaust+Valve

[F32Fleet]

I agree with you..Dinan was about dead in the water with the E46M3 so I don't see them doing anything special with the E90 (Both have valvetronic (sp?)). Dinan couldn't even give you decent numbers with the 3.0 E46. IMHO CAI is worthless unless you track your car. Chips will instantly void your warranty. If you want to make the 325 a real monster..get a supercharger, but then again if you're going to spend that kind of cash, you should've just opted for the 330.

In the end I suppose it doesn't hurt to dream a bit.

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by Socom

I agree with you..Dinan was about dead in the water with the E46M3 so I don't see them doing anything special with the E90 (Both have valvetronic (sp?)). Dinan couldn't even give you decent numbers with the 3.0 E46. IMHO CAI is worthless unless you track your car. Chips will instantly void your warranty. If you want to make the 325 a real monster..get a supercharger, but then again if you're going to spend that kind of cash, you should've just opted for the 330.

In the end I suppose it doesn't hurt to dream a bit.

Hmmm..... "No pain, no gain".

Except in this case, I don't think dreaming about hp gains will make them materialize, even if the dreaming does hurt a little.

[HRC]

My quater cent worth of nothing: To me, I want all the factory HP I can afford. I learned the hard way trying to modify an OBD-II controlled engine. Lots of $$, little HP, real tough time selling now. Since I'm not rich, I got the 330i with little options, only paint, leather, sport and sunshade. I opted for sport b/c I wanted to try to nip this modding bug in the @ss! I didn't want to be tempted to buy rims later(I still want rims though!) and I would have for sure if I had gotten the regular 17" rims, now with the 18" i am less likely to buy rims...I swear!! Buying a loaded 325 was not an option since I knew I wanted more power, so I'm happy with a simple 330i.

Danny

[Mark]

guys, I see alot of this talk about more then just economics. Alot of us get a 325i for various reasons, but that doesnt change the fact that we still love the car and we want to do more to it, either pump up the power of the engine, or improve the handling, or whatever it is that makes you love your car.

Whats wrong with that?

Im sure we would all like to get a 330i or an M3 or an M5 to begin with, but we cant all afford it, and later down the road we decide to pump up the power. There is no question that a 330i is the best option from a performance standpoint like CC 330i says, the 330 has larger brakes, higher HP output, etc etc.. but that doesnt mean theres anything wrong with a 325i owner trying to achieve 330i levels of power down the road. I know I love my car to death and its hard for me to let it go, so when something starts bothering me about it, I choose to upgrade it because I love my car too damn much.

We're all auto enthusiasts here, and most anything enthusiasts do doesn't make financial sense Hell, buying a BMW isnt that cost effective if you just want a mode of transportation.

[CC 330i]

Since I'm not rich, I got the 330i with little options, only paint, leather, sport and sunshade. I opted for sport b/c I wanted to try to nip this modding bug in the @ss! I didn't want to be tempted to buy rims later(I still want rims though!) and I would have for sure if I had gotten the regular 17" rims, now with the 18" i am less likely to buy rims...I swear!! Buying a loaded 325 was not an option since I knew I wanted more power, so I'm happy with a simple 330i.

That's exactly my configuration except for the color. (I love Arctic by the way! Great color).

I spent less than $40K, and have a car that I am really happy with, and I don't want to change. (except that I might also want different wheels, but not bigger wheels).

[CC 330i]

Originally Posted by MarkE90M3

guys, I see alot of this talk about more then just economics. Alot of us get a 325i for various reasons, but that doesnt change the fact that we still love the car and we want to do more to it, either pump up the power of the engine, or improve the handling, or whatever it is that makes you love your car.

Whats wrong with that?

Im sure we would all like to get a 330i or an M3 or an M5 to begin with, but we cant all afford it, and later down the road we decide to pump up the power. There is no question that a 330i is the best option from a performance standpoint like CC 330i says, the 330 has larger brakes, higher HP output, etc etc.. but that doesnt mean theres anything wrong with a 325i owner trying to achieve 330i levels of power down the road. I know I love my car to death and its hard for me to let it go, so when something starts bothering me about it, I choose to upgrade it because I love my car too damn much.

We're all auto enthusiasts here, and most anything enthusiasts do doesn't make financial sense Hell, buying a BMW isnt that cost effective if you just want a mode of transportation.

You are, of course, right. No one is going to (or should try to) change your mind about doing performance mods on your car.

I'll just try to stay out of it from now on, since modding a 325i is not really a discussion that pertains to me. I am still more than happy to discuss other topics, (modding a 330i for example) so I will butt out and leave you guys to discuss this amongst yourselves.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by CC 330i

You are, of course, right. No one is going to (or should try to) change your mind about doing performance mods on your car.

I'll just try to stay out of it from now on, since modding a 325i is not really a discussion that pertains to me. I am still more than happy to discuss other topics, (modding a 330i for example) so I will butt out and leave you guys to discuss this amongst yourselves.

no way my man, its all about opinions here, you shouldnt butt out, and I definatly hear what your saying and it makes total sense, we're just trying to show you our side too

[CC 330i]

No I was just being a baby because there have been a lot of posts to that effect and I was getting weary of them. But I don't really have the right to complain about a conversation that I can just stay out of if I choose.

I appreciate that you do value what those of us that disagree have to say, though. When I have something of value to add, I will, but for now, I think I have to stay out of it because it I have said everything I have to say that's worth saying a couple of times already.

[noflash]

Originally Posted by CC 330i

No I was just being a baby because there have been a lot of posts to that effect and I was getting weary of them. But I don't really have the right to complain about a conversation that I can just stay out of if I choose.

I appreciate that you do value what those of us that disagree have to say, though. When I have something of value to add, I will, but for now, I think I have to stay out of it because it I have said everything I have to say that's worth saying a couple of times already.

Well, there is no doubt this has been discussed to death.

Can we agree:
The 330i is an incredible value, especially considering the standard eq.
The 325i is also a great value (when not loaded with options anyway).
BMW is teasing the bimmer-modding community with a 3.0 325i.
No one really knows what the wait, cost, or results will be for modding a 325i will be.
???

I really look forward to what the tuners come up with.

[CC 330i]

I can agree that the 325i is a great value, and a great car, and performs great out of the box. And I am interested to see what the tuners come up with.

I am also curious if BMW will come out with a 335i. I am certain they are waiting now to release one if they are working on it, because the new M3 is not yet available, and a 335i would surely cut into E46 M3 sales if the 335i were available now.

I also think that BMW is clever enough to make it not cost-effective to turn a 325 into a 330i via the aftermarket. See there I go again! ARRRGHH!

[RichReg]

Originally Posted by CC 330i

I can agree that the 325i is a great value, and a great car, and performs great out of the box. And I am interested to see what the tuners come up with.

I am also curious if BMW will come out with a 335i. I am certain they are waiting now to release one if they are working on it, because the new M3 is not yet available, and a 335i would surely cut into E46 M3 sales if the 335i were available now.

I also think that BMW is clever enough to make it not cost-effective to turn a 325 into a 330i via the aftermarket. See there I go again! ARRRGHH!

Speaking of 'value', I'm curious to know just how much a 335 would cost. Its bad enough that some can't afford a 330 for whatever reason, but I'm thinking that a 335 will really break the bank.

[jhbodle]

Originally Posted by Femme

BHP Motorsport in Germany is also offering chip tuning for all current E90 models:

320i (150 -> 168hp)
325i (218 -> 244hp)
330i (258 -> 290hp)
320d (160 -> 199hp)

Has anyone noticed that BHP Motorsport has lowered its claimed performance numbers for the 325i? Now they are claiming 235hp instead of the 244hp they were claiming a few days ago.

In fact, looking at them again, they seem to have downgraded all their claims for each model except the diesel - The revised numbers are as follows:

320i: 160hp
325i: 235hp
330i: 275hp

Anyone know why they reduced the numbers? Wonder if they've been blowing engines...by the way, Upsolute are still claiming 284hp from the 330i's engine.

[rami335i]

bumping the oldest thread in this section!

[Syndicategt]

Originally Posted by rami335i

bumping the oldest thread in this section!

[Mike@N54Tuning.com]

Originally Posted by rami335i

bumping the oldest thread in this section!

why?



Mike

[rami335i]

Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com

why?



Mike

i guess i was bored at work