[Chris@codemybimmer]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

I dont agree. I think you'll find that Jeeps wheels do NOT extend past the fender when they come from the factory.

Actually some of them do..
my uncles f350 small body has its wheels almost an inch outside the fenders and off road versions of the wranglers are the same.

Toyota gives you the option of getting the fender moldings that extend your fenders for the tundra. the last time i checked if you buy the off road version the wheels are stuck out unless you pay for this 1k option.

even bmw sells you rims that stick out of your fenders..
like the e70. if you dont buy sport pack you dont get the wider fenders and when you slap on style 215 rims they are about half an inch outside the fenders as well, i have seen this on MANY x5s in the GTA.

Originally Posted by nitehawk

+100. Aggravating the officer is about the worst thing you can do. It is best to just swallow your pride and pretend like they are gods gift to mankind. Otherwise, he/she will take very good notes about the incident making it harder for you to fight it in court.

i didnt try to piss off the officer, i just wanted clarifications on why im getting the tickets. although it may sound like im trying to piss him off.



either way, i looked into the display visible to driver ticket and found this on the HTA under 366/09:

"Exempt devices
7. The display screens of the following devices may be visible to any driver in a motor vehicle driven on a highway:
1. A device that displays,
i. information on the conditions, use and immediate environment of the vehicle, or
ii. information on road or weather conditions.
2. An ignition interlock device.
3. A car audio control that displays only text or static images.
4. A hand-held device that displays only text or static images and is connected directly into and operates using the audio system controls of the motor vehicle."

so technically this ticket isnt even valid...the deck cant play any videos at all.

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by bucket328

What about gps units? They are not oem, they are mounted on your dash, and they play as you drive(kinda the point of a gps) So shouldn't nearly everyone be getting a ticket??? The laws in Ontario are so vague and convoluted that they are not worth the paper they are written on.

The government and police are only interested in extorting money from us. They don't care about safety or the environment! If they did, they would (should) be pulling over ppl with tail lights and brake lights out, ppl who don't signal, ppl who tailgate, ppl who weave in and out of traffic, cars that are 87 and older would not be exempt from e tests... etc.

If they where interested in our safety, they would start from the ground up. There would be new laws and testing for driving instructors to get there licenses, there would be revised testing put in place, with mandatory retesting. Lot's of ppl then wouldn't get or would loose there license. The roads would be a safer place and maybe our insurance premiums could finally go down (i know I'm dreaming on that one)

But this is not the case. Sadly they only want your money. And because young males and modified cars are such easy targets, we are forced to pay (most of the time for no real reason) while there are people out there driving around with bald tires, no brake lights, tailgating others in the rain...... Who's the real dangerous threat??

Nice attitude. The whole world is against YOU. The law dealing with screens is concerned with viewing movies not GPS directions. They do pull people over for all that stuff you just mentioned. Sounds like you have a problem with authority.

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by 1lyfe

Actually some of them do..
my uncles f350 small body has its wheels almost an inch outside the fenders and off road versions of the wranglers are the same.

Toyota gives you the option of getting the fender moldings that extend your fenders for the tundra. the last time i checked if you buy the off road version the wheels are stuck out unless you pay for this 1k option.

even bmw sells you rims that stick out of your fenders..
like the e70. if you dont buy sport pack you dont get the wider fenders and when you slap on style 215 rims they are about half an inch outside the fenders as well, i have seen this on MANY x5s in the GTA.



i didnt try to piss off the officer, i just wanted clarifications on why im getting the tickets. although it may sound like im trying to piss him off.



either way, i looked into the display visible to driver ticket and found this on the HTA under 366/09:

"Exempt devices
7. The display screens of the following devices may be visible to any driver in a motor vehicle driven on a highway:
1. A device that displays,
i. information on the conditions, use and immediate environment of the vehicle, or
ii. information on road or weather conditions.
2. An ignition interlock device.
3. A car audio control that displays only text or static images.
4. A hand-held device that displays only text or static images and is connected directly into and operates using the audio system controls of the motor vehicle."

so technically this ticket isnt even valid...the deck cant play any videos at all.

I think those vehicles with rubber outside the fender would be illegal. Google the law. Boat manufacturers sell boats with illegal lights all the time...i happens.
I think you should go to court on the last point. You must have pissed him off .

[bucket328]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

Nice attitude. The whole world is against YOU. The law dealing with screens is concerned with viewing movies not GPS directions. They do pull people over for all that stuff you just mentioned. Sounds like you have a problem with authority.

Actually, I don't. My problem is the police seem to be focused on the easy stuff, and they and the government are ignoring the basic's. As a result we all pay the price.

[BMdblU]

Was pulled over recently for 68 in a 50.. I was compliant and easy going. He immediately dropped it to 10 over no points and $40.

When I asked at what point did he decide to drop the rate he just said its more a matter of back and forth. If I'm nice to him he's nice to me. If I open a mouth right away there is no mercy. Makes sense.

Have been fortunate recently with a couple nice officers out there.

[sheerin]

Originally Posted by ///Mandy

I'm being the devil's advocate here, but what about the police that drive with their monitors on scanning plates? Are those turned off while they are driving?

Emergency vehicles are exempted from this legislation. When at work i can talk on my cell phone, punch stuff into the computer and do a whack load of other things that would be illegal in my personal car.

[///Mandy]

Originally Posted by sheerin

Emergency vehicles are exempted from this legislation. When at work i can talk on my cell phone, punch stuff into the computer and do a whack load of other things that would be illegal in my personal car.

Oh okay. I always wondered. Thanks for the clarification

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by bucket328

Actually, I don't. My problem is the police seem to be focused on the easy stuff, and they and the government are ignoring the basic's. As a result we all pay the price.

If there was an infraction there was an infraction. This particular cop may have focussed on something you didnt like but so what? The law is the law.

[bucket328]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

If there was an infraction there was an infraction. This particular cop may have focussed on something you didnt like but so what? The law is the law.

I'm not talking about myself, I have a good record. I'm talking about ppl who weave in and out of traffic, ppl who tailgate, ppl who don't signal, ppl who have brake light bulbs out. These are little things that make a big difference. But they are to obsessed with speed in this country. There is nothing wrong with speed, if it is handled properly. But because we have such poor driving standards over here, we pay the price for the government dropping the ball.

Yeah the law is the law, but no one enforces it properly!

[nitehawk]

^Agreed. Speed is not everything. A 20 old beater speeding (with no ABS, traction control or electronic brake distribution and likely no working air bags) is far more dangerous than a brand new car going at the same rate of speed.

Similarly, I would never drive a Camry the way I drive my 335i. Different cars with different limitations.

If anything, the government should provide greater incentives to get older potentially dangerous cars off our roads.

[Takeshi]

Traffic police = cash grab. Did you not hear about the Toronto Police internal memo requiring officers to go through at least one book of tickets per day? Why you think the police can't solve half the shootings and stabbings in this city, or find a stolen car, or catch burglars, muggers, thieves etc. The government doesn't care about that shit. Catching criminals costs money, writing tickets make money.

[Andy M]

At one of those check stops, I got stopped after being cleared by one officer (because I haven't been drinking). The second officer stopped me because he was asking how come I had four headlights on and checked my dash to see if I had the fogs on.

...he was referring to the "second set" aka angel eyes. Yup. It's like he's never seen a BMW before when there's a BMW dealership about 10 mins drive away. And yeah, there was a memo which was leaked but quickly denounced that it existed that they're supposed to give out a book of tickets a day.

No disrespecting my brothers in blue but unfortunately they're not the ones that make up the rules. It goes with all organizations. Sometimes management is so high up that they can't see what's going down below (I'm fairly certain that officers don't even like having to write tickets - they're just forced to do it because management says so).

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

^Agreed. Speed is not everything. A 20 old beater speeding (with no ABS, traction control or electronic brake distribution and likely no working air bags) is far more dangerous than a brand new car going at the same rate of speed.

Similarly, I would never drive a Camry the way I drive my 335i. Different cars with different limitations.

If anything, the government should provide greater incentives to get older potentially dangerous cars off our roads.

Speed DIFFERENTIAL is the big problem. I can't understand why they don't have more "traps" to catch cell phone users...like on ramps. People on th ephone are the easiest and among the most dangerous on the road imo.
I guess they need more cops out there to catch the traffic weavers and tailgaters. Trouble is when a cop shows up everyone behaves. I'd love to see cop sitting on a porch with a walkie talkie telling his partner (around the corner) about cell phone/no stop/illegal turn etc.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by 335BBS

Speed DIFFERENTIAL is the big problem. I can't understand why they don't have more "traps" to catch cell phone users...like on ramps. People on th ephone are the easiest and among the most dangerous on the road imo.
I guess they need more cops out there to catch the traffic weavers and tailgaters. Trouble is when a cop shows up everyone behaves. I'd love to see cop sitting on a porch with a walkie talkie telling his partner (around the corner) about cell phone/no stop/illegal turn etc.

For sure. It's about road "etiquette" than anything else. I was in Columbus, Ohio a week ago. The biggest difference I noticed on their highways was that if you're in the far left lane, people move out of your way well in advance; No tailgating, no passing using the right lanes.

As you said, a large majority of accidents occur from people not paying attention, from txting / talking on cellphones, eating, grooming etc..

[stephen bettencourt]

you have touch a soar spot that why I am trying to keep my car as stock on the out side single handed they have distroyed the after market, in the usa its worth $ 40 billion if a guy has after market wheels 99% of the time he has way better tires than stock that should be road cornering and braking in the old days when you see a hood cut open and a blower showing out that was not a hood ornement , dont even dream of driving through cornwall a buddy of mine got a ticket 3am for doing 75 km he said at time there was fog there is a few more instance that I can prove ( you never who is watching) its notthing to do with safty I could go on forever

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by stephen bettencourt

you have touch a soar spot that why I am trying to keep my car as stock on the out side single handed they have distroyed the after market, in the usa its worth $ 40 billion if a guy has after market wheels 99% of the time he has way better tires than stock that should be road cornering and braking in the old days when you see a hood cut open and a blower showing out that was not a hood ornement , dont even dream of driving through cornwall a buddy of mine got a ticket 3am for doing 75 km he said at time there was fog there is a few more instance that I can prove ( you never who is watching) its notthing to do with safty I could go on forever

..................I don't think you could...............didnt understand any of that. Are you old enough to drive?

[Havok_2011]

Police know better than to try and stop KizrSoze! lol