[addicted 2 turbo]

Originally Posted by lawdude

Maybe if you saw Terry's schematics.

[astris]

Originally Posted by Beer Goggles

You guys are so silly with this. Those who "hate" JB1 and JB2 are obviously mad at the marketing strategy of the product.

um, what?

A good product is a good product no matter how it's marketed... on the other end of things, a piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

[Beer Goggles]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

IIRC, Terry authoritatively stated that maximum fuel consumption occurs at peak torque until he was notified otherwise. This is just one example and occurred just a few months ago. Now he sells the same resistor set-up that I once suggested as a joke. The guy really knows next to nothing about tuning cars. As evident by selling a product that runs ~11psi of boost with no ignition retard. Heck, just look at his posts from back when he was allowed on this forum and see for yourself. Or more importantly, see how his opinions and statements have changed in the last few months. The good news is that he is on the steep portion of the learning curve. The bad news is that most other novice tuners use this time to experiment with their own cars, not those belonging to others. But I suppose that is what the LLC is for.

shiv

Hey Shiv, I'm not arguing with you that you know what you're doing, but why the attack on JB and not TT, which does the same things, but just plugs into a different spot? And realistically what's stopping a full tunable piggyback company from coming and and saying that without full tuning control your product is inferior too?

I think it's silly that some people and companies are attacking one person specifically, and more so that it's allowed by the forum. But as I stated before this sort of press is probably far more effective than if he were just a sponsor.

Its great that there have been no engine failure from the tuning options out there, which says a lot. The engine is new, and really hasn't been tested over a serious length of time. I had my 350Z with twin turbo and the learning curve on that caused many more failures, usually associated with install errors, but in comparative, I've only seen a few issues with LIMP mode. Overall that is very nice to see. Even if "tuners' or whatever people want to be called fight over what they feel is safe.

[5soko]

i did alot of research before i ended up with my tunning. my next step will be the V2 for sure.
from my research, Split Second has there own tunning shop and have tuned many cars in the past and have there own test 335i. Terry seems to have a bad reputation on this site, nobody seems to like him. i wasnt comfortable purchasing his product with such a small "usage" of it and his lack of experience, and his website.

[catdog]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

i did alot of research before i ended up with my tunning. my next step will be the V2 for sure.
from my research, Split Second has there own tunning shop and have tuned many cars in the past and have there own test 335i. Terry seems to have a bad reputation on this site, nobody seems to like him. i wasnt comfortable purchasing his product with such a small "usage" of it and his lack of experience, and his website.

This forum is becoming really annoying to use and post on.

"Terry seems to have a bad reputation on this site, nobody seems to like him. " simply means this forum is overly biased regardless of the product performance. No one is arguing that Shiv is not more experienced that the maker of the JB (although i am sure Shiv was not born with all his current knowledge but rather acquired it, and it seems that it's evolving as well), or that the procede is not a more complex and sophisticated solution although there is no shortage of limp modes and fault codes, all of which are of course acceptable and swept under the rug or "no worries, just restart your car". Why should any fault or failure or limp modes even be allowed to occur in the first place, is that a sign of poor tuning or design? Why is it no big deal, yet you are comfortable judging a product based on statements like "nobody likes him". This looks more like bullying in the schoolyard rather than anything else.

Using the look or feel of a website to judge a product and saying TT is better when someone has already given a dyno and a/f ratios on TT/JB which is what this thread should be all about is unfortunate. Shiv's website is not perfect either and the forums are not even updated or visited as often as this current forum. Why not rename this whole section vishnutuning and open another forum section for everyone else?

[A418t81]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

IIRC, Terry authoritatively stated that maximum fuel consumption occurs at peak torque until he was notified otherwise. This is just one example and occurred just a few months ago. Now he sells the same resistor set-up that I once suggested as a joke. The guy really knows next to nothing about tuning cars. As evident by selling a product that runs ~11psi of boost with no ignition retard. Heck, just look at his posts from back when he was allowed on this forum and see for yourself. Or more importantly, see how his opinions and statements have changed in the last few months. The good news is that he is on the steep portion of the learning curve. The bad news is that most other novice tuners use this time to experiment with their own cars, not those belonging to others. But I suppose that is what the LLC is for.

shiv

IIRC, you guys were talking about fuel pumps or something and injector pulse widths. I thought Terry said that peak inj pulse width was at peak tq, which obviously is right.

Regardless, it is odd not to pick on the TT. I understand why, though, as its performance by end users is not nudging up against the procede.

[Beer Goggles]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

i did alot of research before i ended up with my tunning. my next step will be the V2 for sure.
from my research, Split Second has there own tunning shop and have tuned many cars in the past and have there own test 335i. Terry seems to have a bad reputation on this site, nobody seems to like him. i wasnt comfortable purchasing his product with such a small "usage" of it and his lack of experience, and his website.

Terry has a 335i sedan. Does that make anybody feel better? LOL.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by A418t81

Honestly man, what in the heck are you talking about? Formulas? You really think Shiv cast pearls down to Terry that he didn't already know? Terry is a software engineer, with an actual degree, you know. Also, the only difference between a lot of "non-professional" and "professional" tuners I've run across is that one charges a lot more $$ than the other.

You are new here, so you don't know.
Yes, Terry ASKED Shiv about the PROcede and the software formulas.
Shiv graciously told Terry everything he asked not knowing Terry was going to rip him off.
Terry proceeded to POST the information online.
Shiv then had to change a few things to keep hackers and pirates like Terry from doing that again.
When you are new somewhere and don't know the back story, research before replying.

I wouldn't support Terry and his product if it was $100
Even though I met him in person and he was nice in person.
But all the antics he's played out on this board BEFORE you joined or probably even had a 335i, was enough to steer clear.
Trust me, you've steered clear of businesses and people in your life who've been far less shady and trouble making than Terry has been.

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Brisk

Shiv is a smart man... not only does he test his product alot and has been featured in edmunds and other magazines and races, he stands behind his product... plus he has a website, a shop, and tunes alot of other cars and has been in the tunning market for a while...


terry huh? software engineer... i think i might buy a terry jb2 and install it to my cable box and ps2...

theres reason so many people hate him, and he has a sticky to stay away from him, and why he got banned...

procede is a proven and great product.... shiv is a good and liked tuner.

-lumi

I dont think there are many people that hate Terry. Any that do are obviously ignorant or imature.

Despite many folks trying to suggest otherwise there is no evidence that the JB is unsafe. Typically when someone tries to post data to suggest that it is they resort to "for instance, and as an example" rather than actual measured numbers. Meanwhile we have probalby well over 100,000 miles of road time on cars with mods that work only on a single sensor to increase boost (SSTT and JB1) and we have seen no significant problems yet. Obviously the stock ECU is easily able to adapt to keep timing and fueling in a safe range when the boost is increased conservatively with these mods. In fact the BMW engineers that developed this car stated previously the reason they were conservative on the amount of boost was for driveability not safety since they wanted a Turbo charged car that felt NA.

On the JBs2 Terry went further and by changing voltage accross 2 sensors rather than just the TMap which allows him to increase fuel under load and therefore safely turn the boost up further compared to his JBs1. All along he has been diligent about monitoring for knock retard and has stayed below a boost level where any was detectable.

So bottom line is other than verbage on websites, there is absolutely no evidence that any of the currently available boost regulating perfromance mods are unsafe although the "sensor clamps" appear to be the most trouble free up to this point.

For disclosure I have the SSTT which has performed great and has been completely trouble free

[Ryan(e92)]

Originally Posted by Driver72

You are new here, so you don't know.
Yes, Terry ASKED Shiv about the PROcede and the software formulas.
Shiv graciously told Terry everything he asked not knowing Terry was going to rip him off.
Terry proceeded to POST the information online.
Shiv then had to change a few things to keep hackers and pirates like Terry from doing that again.
When you are new somewhere and don't know the back story, research before replying.

I wouldn't support Terry and his product if it was $100
Even though I met him in person and he was nice in person.
But all the antics he's played out on this board BEFORE you joined or probably even had a 335i, was enough to steer clear.
Trust me, you've steered clear of businesses and people in your life who've been far less shady and trouble making than Terry has been.

Every Terry supporter has been on this forum less than three months. They all have a low post count as well. Listen to those who have been around a while.

[Driver72]

I find it funny the people defending Terry are new to this board in the past month or two, have never met him, and haven't researched (searched) past posts of his that we all had to put up with for months as he ATTACKED Shiv and Vishnu.

You newbies have it all wrong. Shiv is not attacking Terry and his "product".
It's Terry who continually, endlessly, at nauseam attacked Shiv and his product after he pretended to be friendly to find out all he could about it and how it worked and then posted it online.
Shiv has just continually had to DEFEND himself against the onslaught of childish attacks from Terry.

Shiv has never been the aggressor, and the reason he's never badmouthed the Turbo Tuner is because the makers of the Turbo Tuner have never ATTACKED him. The TT was/is a cost effective alternative to the PROcede.
Shiv and others are aware of it's (apparent...I'm no tuner so don't know for sure) inferior programming abilities and so forth.

Again, there is a reason the people who've been on this site for more than 2 months are pleased that Terry was banned.
There IS a reason Terry was banned.

Before you walk into a situation, you should know what's going on before you chime in with what you think you know.

[Driver72]

Originally Posted by Ryan(e92)

Every Terry supporter has been on this forum less than three months. They all have a low post count as well.

Exactly as I posted above.
They don't know him and can't understand why he's and his product aren't very well received here.
Though as I have said, Terry was a nice guy in person. He falls into that category of "talks the talk (with a big bad attitude) when hiding behind the protection of the computer."

Now that he's selling something and trying to make a big profit off people, he's oh so nice and professional now to the new people who don't know better. Again, hypocrisy at it's finest.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by catdog

This forum is becoming really annoying to use and post on.

"Terry seems to have a bad reputation on this site, nobody seems to like him. " simply means this forum is overly biased regardless of the product performance. No one is arguing that Shiv is not more experienced that the maker of the JB (although i am sure Shiv was not born with all his current knowledge but rather acquired it, and it seems that it's evolving as well), or that the procede is not a more complex and sophisticated solution although there is no shortage of limp modes and fault codes, all of which are of course acceptable and swept under the rug or "no worries, just restart your car". Why should any fault or failure or limp modes even be allowed to occur in the first place, is that a sign of poor tuning or design? Why is it no big deal, yet you are comfortable judging a product based on statements like "nobody likes him". This looks more like bullying in the schoolyard rather than anything else.

Using the look or feel of a website to judge a product and saying TT is better when someone has already given a dyno and a/f ratios on TT/JB which is what this thread should be all about is unfortunate. Shiv's website is not perfect either and the forums are not even updated or visited as often as this current forum. Why not rename this whole section vishnutuning and open another forum section for everyone else?

If you think it is annoying to use this forum now, go and do a search when Terry was around...informative threads would be cluttered with his attacks which was no help to anyone. But, I think we are getting OT here. I think there are many here, including myself, that are interested in the performance and reliability of the JB. Please keep posting about your experiences with it.

[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by Driver72

Exactly as I posted above.
They don't know him and can't understand why he's and his product aren't very well received here.
Though as I have said, Terry was a nice guy in person. He falls into that category of "talks the talk (with a big bad attitude) when hiding behind the protection of the computer."

Now that he's selling something and trying to make a big profit off people, he's oh so nice and professional now to the new people who don't know better. Again, hypocrisy at it's finest.

Errr, really? What's my join date? Let me check, who here got BMW to take the oil cooler issue seriously and was the first approved for good will install? Who was the first to accurately report the wheel weight of 18" 162's?

I don't particularly care for the way many entertainers run their lives, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate their movies and songs.

OK, yes, Terry made an azz out of himself. And yes Shiv has become something of a minor deity on here. However, I find both very useful.