Improving Launch - Two Step & No Lift Shift - WOT box...

farbmw · 07-22-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

It works really really good...i've tested it with the stock tune, procede and cobb and works flawlessly...wotbox is the reason why procede has brought the features on the n54 platform now...i'm sure jb4 will be there soon as well...

cool part is wotbox works regardless of the tune, flash or piggyback, that you're running...

we all owe it to the wotbox guys for this feature and I know they'll get some major exposure now from the 6MT flash guys especially

So would this be better to buy separate from the tunes?

And where is the DIY you promised.

dzenno · 07-22-2011, 08:15 PM

I'd say that it's best when it's integrated with the tune that can retard timing as that's required to build a bit more boost off the line...for example with just WOTbox in the car and RBs I could build about 3psi off the line which is great, much better than vacuum...inside procede, tune pulls a bit of timing too, and that allows a bit higher boost, about 5-6psi it seems but I'm yet to see it happen at 5-6 in a log...I saw it on the dash based boost gauge in shiv's clip but that Gaige has always been wrong/weird at low boost...

I'll definitely bring some logs, pics, vids on it...WOTbox guys deserve it and I'm sure many flash 6MT guys where ffs and 2-step arent available will want this unit...

Go FFS!!

Rob@Cobb · 07-22-2011, 10:03 PM

Funny you bring this up. I have been thinking about mixing the DCT functionality with the manual shifting since it's all in the same code base. The hoping being we could have flat foot shifting with the stock ECU. Obviously I have a lot on my plate right now, but it's something I plan to do in the future.

Cheers,
Rob

dzenno · 07-23-2011, 12:08 AM

That'd be awesome

TheStig · 07-23-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dzenno

That'd be awesome

videos!!

dzenno · 07-29-2011, 09:33 PM

Alright, been a while...here's some sweet sweet action with the WOTBox plugged in on COBB stage 1 on my car with RB turbos

Just look at that boost not drop to zero AND saves my clutch AND ZERO timing dropouts AND AFR is perfect down to high 11s RIGHT AFTER the shift...no lean spike, rich spike wobble anywhere...

Doesn't get better than this, enjoy!

just good ol' pump gas..

With meth (not needed at all but I still ran it out of curiosity):

With meth one more time:

If anyone needs any more examples let me know, I LOVE FFS-ing or NLS-ing lol whatever you call it

You can dial in your 2-step launch RPM to whatever you like...it reads RPM from the CPS signal wire...it wires into your clutch, accelerator and the main coil ignition wire that feeds the 6 coils...all in the ecu box...dead easy to wire up..

onesuperboi · 07-29-2011, 10:14 PM

Great thread. Thank you for bring this functionality mainstream. I'm jealous of manuals now.

And, I agree with you that this post is funny.

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I think people need to understand that flat foot shifting is really only useful in small engine/big turbo combinations. We used it in 400+hp evos running 20+psi of boost. The advantage of it is that the engine unloads without having to close the throttle. Which means that the bypass valves don't vent the boost. Which means that you hold boost through the shift and don't require as much spool-up in the next gear.

in the case of the n54 or other drive-by-wire cars, this is going to be hard to accomplish. But with the current state of the Procede tune, if you shift fast enough, you get almost the same effect but with far less transmission stress. With fast shifts, the actual throttle blade won't close fully which means that the bypass valves won't vent. And you end up holding ~10psi between gears. If you get it right, you'll know it because it literally feels like you are doing flat foot shifts with a dog box.

Shiv

dzenno · 07-29-2011, 10:30 PM

I'll have some vids soon too

its really really amazing...car never stops pulling through the shifts

dzenno · 07-31-2011, 01:37 AM

Here's some vids on a closed road in Mexico...this is with one passenger, full weight, 19" wheels, no meth, pump gas and full trunk of picnic stuff

LOVE IT!

Should be around 420whp given about 12psi at 6k rpm...stage 1 boost curve, as can be seen on the boost gauge, hits 15psi then tapers towards 12 at 6k rpm...not shown in the vid, it'll hit about 9.5-10psi at redline so I shift at around 6krpm...plenty fast for pump gas and safe 4 deg less timing that the stock curve...

WOTBox cuts ignition perfectly between shifts with minimal impact to tranny/clutch...money shifts FTW!

COBB Stage 2 coming soon

UsualSuspect · 08-18-2011, 10:18 AM

So how much is the WOTbox?

dzenno · 08-18-2011, 10:20 AM

http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox

$159 for one option (either NLS or 2-step) or $199 for both

Litos · 08-18-2011, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob@Cobb

Funny you bring this up. I have been thinking about mixing the DCT functionality with the manual shifting since it's all in the same code base. The hoping being we could have flat foot shifting with the stock ECU. Obviously I have a lot on my plate right now, but it's something I plan to do in the future.

Cheers,
Rob

would it work for A6's !??!

nitehawk · 08-18-2011, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob@Cobb

Funny you bring this up. I have been thinking about mixing the DCT functionality with the manual shifting since it's all in the same code base. The hoping being we could have flat foot shifting with the stock ECU. Obviously I have a lot on my plate right now, but it's something I plan to do in the future.

Cheers,
Rob

Please please please bring this out with Cobb S2!!!

bigdnno98 · 08-24-2012, 04:07 PM

Resurrecting a dead thread here. I'm trying to install my WOTBox now and can't find the white wire on x6004 that is supposed to be ign coil #1. Can anyone help? Can't be that Dzenno is the only n54 to ever install a WOTBox?

bigdnno98 · 08-24-2012, 07:06 PM

I guess everyone is too busy trying to figure out which DP or exhaust to buy to answer a question that requires even the tiniest bit of knowledge about the car. This forum blows.

pinky_and_me · 08-24-2012, 09:28 PM

You should be able to remove the plastic engine cover and trace the wire straight from the coil or directly connect there. Cylinder 1 should be the first towards the front bumper.

bigdnno98 · 08-24-2012, 09:55 PM

Thanks for your input. I need to intercept it in the ecu box though. I'm pretty sure I know which one it is now. A guy on a different forum is gonna send me a pick of the x6004 connector. Thanks again.

3-Serious · 09-01-2012, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

Thanks for your input. I need to intercept it in the ecu box though. I'm pretty sure I know which one it is now. A guy on a different forum is gonna send me a pick of the x6004 connector. Thanks again.

Did you ever get this done I also would love to hair NLS!

bigdnno98 · 09-01-2012, 10:24 PM

I put a DIY on the other forum. It works great. Check out BB.

RimasRS · 03-15-2014, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdnno98

I put a DIY on the other forum. It works great. Check out BB.

Hey there where is your diy?

07-22-2011, 08:15 PM	#90
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	I'd say that it's best when it's integrated with the tune that can retard timing as that's required to build a bit more boost off the line...for example with just WOTbox in the car and RBs I could build about 3psi off the line which is great, much better than vacuum...inside procede, tune pulls a bit of timing too, and that allows a bit higher boost, about 5-6psi it seems but I'm yet to see it happen at 5-6 in a log...I saw it on the dash based boost gauge in shiv's clip but that Gaige has always been wrong/weird at low boost... I'll definitely bring some logs, pics, vids on it...WOTbox guys deserve it and I'm sure many flash 6MT guys where ffs and 2-step arent available will want this unit... Go FFS!!
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07-22-2011, 10:03 PM	#91
Rob@Cobb Lieutenant 41 Rep 468 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 335i ///M Pack Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	Funny you bring this up. I have been thinking about mixing the DCT functionality with the manual shifting since it's all in the same code base. The hoping being we could have flat foot shifting with the stock ECU. Obviously I have a lot on my plate right now, but it's something I plan to do in the future. Cheers, Rob
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07-23-2011, 12:08 AM	#92
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	That'd be awesome
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07-29-2011, 09:33 PM	#94
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	Alright, been a while...here's some sweet sweet action with the WOTBox plugged in on COBB stage 1 on my car with RB turbos Just look at that boost not drop to zero AND saves my clutch AND ZERO timing dropouts AND AFR is perfect down to high 11s RIGHT AFTER the shift...no lean spike, rich spike wobble anywhere... Doesn't get better than this, enjoy! just good ol' pump gas.. With meth (not needed at all but I still ran it out of curiosity): With meth one more time: If anyone needs any more examples let me know, I LOVE FFS-ing or NLS-ing lol whatever you call it You can dial in your 2-step launch RPM to whatever you like...it reads RPM from the CPS signal wire...it wires into your clutch, accelerator and the main coil ignition wire that feeds the 6 coils...all in the ecu box...dead easy to wire up..
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07-29-2011, 10:30 PM	#96
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	I'll have some vids soon too its really really amazing...car never stops pulling through the shifts
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07-31-2011, 01:37 AM	#97
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	Here's some vids on a closed road in Mexico...this is with one passenger, full weight, 19" wheels, no meth, pump gas and full trunk of picnic stuff LOVE IT! Should be around 420whp given about 12psi at 6k rpm...stage 1 boost curve, as can be seen on the boost gauge, hits 15psi then tapers towards 12 at 6k rpm...not shown in the vid, it'll hit about 9.5-10psi at redline so I shift at around 6krpm...plenty fast for pump gas and safe 4 deg less timing that the stock curve... WOTBox cuts ignition perfectly between shifts with minimal impact to tranny/clutch...money shifts FTW! COBB Stage 2 coming soon
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08-18-2011, 10:18 AM	#98
UsualSuspect Lieutenant General *** 65 Rep 758 Posts Drives: this way and that way... Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Boston iTrader: (4)	So how much is the WOTbox? __________________ Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film.
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08-18-2011, 10:20 AM	#99
dzenno Banned 286 Rep 5,876 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2006 iTrader: (1)	http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox $159 for one option (either NLS or 2-step) or $199 for both
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08-24-2012, 04:07 PM	#102
bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 289 Rep 2,082 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	Resurrecting a dead thread here. I'm trying to install my WOTBox now and can't find the white wire on x6004 that is supposed to be ign coil #1. Can anyone help? Can't be that Dzenno is the only n54 to ever install a WOTBox?
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08-24-2012, 07:06 PM	#103
bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 289 Rep 2,082 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	I guess everyone is too busy trying to figure out which DP or exhaust to buy to answer a question that requires even the tiniest bit of knowledge about the car. This forum blows.
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08-24-2012, 09:28 PM	#104
pinky_and_me Second Lieutenant 13 Rep 294 Posts Drives: N54 335xi Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (0)	You should be able to remove the plastic engine cover and trace the wire straight from the coil or directly connect there. Cylinder 1 should be the first towards the front bumper.
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08-24-2012, 09:55 PM	#105
bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 289 Rep 2,082 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	Thanks for your input. I need to intercept it in the ecu box though. I'm pretty sure I know which one it is now. A guy on a different forum is gonna send me a pick of the x6004 connector. Thanks again.
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09-01-2012, 10:24 PM	#107
bigdnno98 Real Car Enthusiast 289 Rep 2,082 Posts Drives: 340xi Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Germany iTrader: (8)	I put a DIY on the other forum. It works great. Check out BB.
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