Pure or Vargas Stage 1?

Schmidty335i · 09-25-2014, 02:23 PM

hey everyone thanks for all your inputs. i ended up going with Pure, due to the fact that i am within 30 mins of them and they said they can swap out the turbos themselves for me. going to drop it off this friday!

i see that most of you that are replying to my thread already have either a vargas or pure stage one turbo. my next question for you is, with this bigger turbo installed iam i good to go on map 5 on my JB4 or do i need to get a Cobb and do a pro tune? thanks again for all your guys info iam a sponge sucking it all up haha

iuhutch · 09-25-2014, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty335i

hey everyone thanks for all your inputs. i ended up going with Pure, due to the fact that i am within 30 mins of them and they said they can swap out the turbos themselves for me. going to drop it off this friday!

i see that most of you that are replying to my thread already have either a vargas or pure stage one turbo. my next question for you is, with this bigger turbo installed iam i good to go on map 5 on my JB4 or do i need to get a Cobb and do a pro tune? thanks again for all your guys info iam a sponge sucking it all up haha

Congrats on the buy, you will love it! Regarding tune, with JB4 you can do a custom Map 6. All the information about these settings can be found in the PURE turbo thread. Some of us can help you with that too, PURE has a custom map 6 too they could probably help you with. Typically start at 17psi across the board and see how well you are holding the boost.

I see that you have a n55 too, Terry recommends a backend flash (esp if you have DCT). My car is in the shop getting an updated ROM as we speak and i'm hopeful that i can flash my dme as per cobb believing my version is supported. You can also go with a protune if running COBB only but i would not recommend off the shelf (OTS) COBB maps...

JETmn · 09-25-2014, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1cleann55

Pretty sure thats a smoothing factor and doesnt really effect peak power. Someone correct me if im wrong though because i obviously dont own/operate dynos for a living.

FIR is the filter type, normally you see SAE. The amount of filtering/smoothing is the 40 number.

A shady operator can tweak altitude and temp settings to make the dyno read higher, but I doubt that is happening here. It is possible for it to be slightly off if he was a little off though. Probably not enough to be a factor though.

Schmidty335i · 09-25-2014, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by iuhutch

Congrats on the buy, you will love it! Regarding tune, with JB4 you can do a custom Map 6. All the information about these settings can be found in the PURE turbo thread. Some of us can help you with that too, PURE has a custom map 6 too they could probably help you with. Typically start at 17psi across the board and see how well you are holding the boost.

I see that you have a n55 too, Terry recommends a backend flash (esp if you have DCT). My car is in the shop getting an updated ROM as we speak and i'm hopeful that i can flash my dme as per cobb believing my version is supported. You can also go with a protune if running COBB only but i would not recommend off the shelf (OTS) COBB maps...

so should i just keep the Jb4? or would you suggest also getting the cobb? cause if i dont have to spend an extra 900 for a Cobb AP i could put that towards something else more useful for my car. also my car is a 6mt. thanks again for your help

MadToy · 09-25-2014, 04:41 PM

Are there any N55 backend flashes that you can use the free BB flash program with? Buying a BT cable would be quite a bit cheaper than buying the Cobb if so. Then keep your JB4 to do what it does....

e36addict · 09-25-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty335i

so should i just keep the Jb4? or would you suggest also getting the cobb? cause if i dont have to spend an extra 900 for a Cobb AP i could put that towards something else more useful for my car. also my car is a 6mt. thanks again for your help

I run mine with JB4 only. Just have FF wires and a 255 inline. Map 6 tweaked to spike about 19psi and tapers to 17.5ish. Works fine for me, and logs look great.

JETmn · 09-25-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MadToy

Are there any N55 backend flashes that you can use the free BB flash program with? Buying a BT cable would be quite a bit cheaper than buying the Cobb if so. Then keep your JB4 to do what it does....

That is N54 only, unfortunately.

Also to Schmidty, you are just loading a back end flash so you can try to find a used V2 Cobb and keep your JB4. That is my plan.

Schmidty335i · 09-25-2014, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by e36addict

I run mine with JB4 only. Just have FF wires and a 255 inline. Map 6 tweaked to spike about 19psi and tapers to 17.5ish. Works fine for me, and logs look great.

I would love to see a screen shot of how you have map 6 if you could get a chance to get one!

glad to hear your running good logs with JB4 only

Schmidty335i · 09-26-2014, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by e36addict

I run mine with JB4 only. Just have FF wires and a 255 inline. Map 6 tweaked to spike about 19psi and tapers to 17.5ish. Works fine for me, and logs look great.

I would love to see a screen shot of how you have map 6 if you could get a chance to get one!

glad to hear your running good logs with JB4 only

hetzle · 09-26-2014, 01:35 PM

I've aggregated all of the Pure dyno graphs, from shop cars to customer cars, here if you want to compare them to the Vargas graphs. It seems as though VTT makes equal if not marginally higher power than Pure.

Schmidty335i · 09-26-2014, 05:15 PM

Just dropped my car off at pure turbos! This is gonna be the longest few days of my life waiting to pick this up haha

Newguy123 · 09-26-2014, 05:45 PM

PURE all the way im sure VTT yeilds same power. when you're ready to get a stage 2 turbo pure will give you 100% credit back towards a stage 2....

JETmn · 09-26-2014, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Newguy123

PURE all the way im sure VTT yeilds same power. when you're ready to get a stage 2 turbo pure will give you 100% credit back towards a stage 2....

Yes, that was huge for me and made me jump on the group buy.

Buggy_PR · 10-10-2014, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty335i

Just dropped my car off at pure turbos! This is gonna be the longest few days of my life waiting to pick this up haha

How's the car performing?

ChuckWow · 10-12-2014, 11:26 PM

I would easily go with Pure. I still remember Vargas as a lying bullshitting douchebag.

Bimmer28312 · 10-13-2014, 12:24 AM

How so? Because I'm thinking about upgrading with epther or. Haven't researched enough to make a final Decision

Schmidty335i · 10-13-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Buggy_PR

How's the car performing?

its feeling great! and i still havent pushed it past map 7 yet. i am going to wait till i get my meth kit and inline fuel pump then have it dyno tuned and ill use map 6. i am looking forward to seeing the full potential of this turbo!

JETmn · 10-13-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bimmer28312

How so? Because I'm thinking about upgrading with epther or. Haven't researched enough to make a final Decision

Go look at the last 2 pages of the "Let the speculation begin" thread on N54 to see Tony being a complete asshat. He stopped for a while, but is back to his old ways again. Rob seems to get drug in to it some too. Makes me all the happier to go with Pure!

Newguy123 · 10-13-2014, 11:28 AM

PURE is legit i wouldnt take my buisness anywhere else

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Schmidty335i Lieutenant 43 Rep 412 Posts Drives: E92 335i PS2 turbo FBO JB4 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	hey everyone thanks for all your inputs. i ended up going with Pure, due to the fact that i am within 30 mins of them and they said they can swap out the turbos themselves for me. going to drop it off this friday! i see that most of you that are replying to my thread already have either a vargas or pure stage one turbo. my next question for you is, with this bigger turbo installed iam i good to go on map 5 on my JB4 or do i need to get a Cobb and do a pro tune? thanks again for all your guys info iam a sponge sucking it all up haha
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MadToy Second Lieutenant 80 Rep 270 Posts Drives: '18 340i Xdrive Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Mooresville, NC iTrader: (1)	Are there any N55 backend flashes that you can use the free BB flash program with? Buying a BT cable would be quite a bit cheaper than buying the Cobb if so. Then keep your JB4 to do what it does.... __________________ 2018 340i F30 Xdrive
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09-26-2014, 01:35 PM	#32
hetzle First Lieutenant 32 Rep 373 Posts Drives: E90 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: San Francisco, California iTrader: (0)	I've aggregated all of the Pure dyno graphs, from shop cars to customer cars, here if you want to compare them to the Vargas graphs. It seems as though VTT makes equal if not marginally higher power than Pure. __________________ 2011 335i sedan 6MT, 515whp/530wtq. Pure Turbo Stage 2, Motiv SST TwinDisk Clutch/FW, Motiv Flash, AA 4" DP, ER FMIC, AA turbo-back exhaust, Quaife LSD, ST Coilovers, BMS Intake, UUC DSSR+SSK, ER CP, BMS CDV, BMS OCC, Arkym CF trunk
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Schmidty335i Lieutenant 43 Rep 412 Posts Drives: E92 335i PS2 turbo FBO JB4 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Just dropped my car off at pure turbos! This is gonna be the longest few days of my life waiting to pick this up haha
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Newguy123 Captain 122 Rep 652 Posts Drives: 2008 Nissan Titan Join Date: May 2014 Location: Carlsbad iTrader: (0)	PURE all the way im sure VTT yeilds same power. when you're ready to get a stage 2 turbo pure will give you 100% credit back towards a stage 2.... __________________ 2012 DCT 135i PURE S2 JB4/mhd Fuel-It! direct port meth injection check out my youtube channel here
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10-12-2014, 11:26 PM	#37
ChuckWow New Member 4 Rep 20 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 335i Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas iTrader: (0)	I would easily go with Pure. I still remember Vargas as a lying bullshitting douchebag.
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Bimmer28312 Major 345 Rep 1,121 Posts Drives: BMW N55 335xi Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	How so? Because I'm thinking about upgrading with epther or. Haven't researched enough to make a final Decision
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10-13-2014, 11:28 AM	#41
Newguy123 Captain 122 Rep 652 Posts Drives: 2008 Nissan Titan Join Date: May 2014 Location: Carlsbad iTrader: (0)	PURE is legit i wouldnt take my buisness anywhere else __________________ 2012 DCT 135i PURE S2 JB4/mhd Fuel-It! direct port meth injection check out my youtube channel here
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