Anyone know this car ?

Mark e90 · 08-06-2015, 07:29 AM

This has come up for sale near me ( Paisley, Glasgow Arnold Clark ) Car is a 58 plate with 80k miles but it says in the description 5+ owners that seems quite a lot for a car this age. Also it has the newer style sat nav in it but for a 58 plate that would have had to be done by one of the owners and not from factory right ?

Norris-wf · 08-06-2015, 08:42 AM

I dont know the car, but when you say the newer style sat-nav, do you mean the CIC? If so, mine is also a 58 plate with the same CIC as these came in late 2008

djgandy · 08-06-2015, 01:15 PM

58 plate could be a genuine CIC. CIC production was late 2008.

Martin32 · 08-06-2015, 01:41 PM

E92s built from september 2008 include the 2009 model year enhancements i.e. CIC

Sbm007 · 08-06-2015, 05:13 PM

Here's the build sheet:

Code:

Model description:	325i
Market:			Europa
Type:			WE32
E-Code:			E92
Chassis:		Coupé
Steering:		rechts
Doors:			2
Engine:			N53B30U0 - 3,00l (160kW)
Drive:			Heckantrieb
Transmission:		automatisch
Body Color:		Le-mans-blau Metallic (381)
Upholstery:		Leder Dakota/schwarz (LCSW)
Production date:	18.11.2008
Assembled in:		Regensburg
 
Code	Standard Equipment
S1CBA	CO2 package
S502A	Headlight cleaning system
S520A	Fog lights
S522A	Xenon Light
S853A	Language version English

Code	Optional Equipment
S1CAA	Selection of COP relevant vehicles
S1CDA	Brake Energy Regeneration
S205A	Automatic transmission
S249A	Multifunction f steering wheel
S2MPA	BMW alloy wheel, M double spoke 225
S2PAA	Lug bolt retainer
S302A	Alarm system
S313A	Fold-in outside mirror
P337A	M Sports package
S423A	Floor mats, velours
S428A	Warning triangle and first aid kit
S431A	Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S441A	Smoker package
S459A	Seat adjuster, electric, with memory
S470A	Isofix-System
S481A	Sports seat
S494A	Seat heating driver/passenger
S4AEA	Armrest front, retractable
S4B9A	Interieurleisten Alu Feinschliff
S507A	Park Distance Control (PDC), rear
S521A	Rain sensor
S534A	Automatic air conditioning
S544A	Cruise control with brake function
S563A	Light package
S609A	Navigation system Professional
S612A	BMW Assist
S615A	Expanded BMW Online Information
S616A	BMW Online
S620A	Voice control
S633A	Preparation, mobile phone, Business
S694A	Provisions for BMW 6 CD changer
S698A	Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6AAA	BMW TeleServices
S6ABA	Control for Teleservices
S704A	M Sports suspension
S715A	M Aerodynamics package
S760A	High gloss shadow line
S761A	Individual sunshade glazing
S775A	Headlining anthracite
S7XAA	M Leathr. wheel+shift paddle+multifunc.
L812A	NATIONAL VERSION GREAT BRITAIN
S850A	Additional Export tank filling
S863A	Retailer Directory Europe
S877A	Delete cross-pattern operation
S880A	On-board vehicle literature English
S8S2A	Coding alarm signal
S8S3A	Automatic locking when driving off
S8SCA	Telematics access request,country-spec.
S8SMA	Car ident. number visible from outside
S8SPA	Control unit COP

Very decent spec, does have a lot of previous owners though imo

smuler · 08-07-2015, 01:47 AM

A high number of owners would make me think the car's possibly had problems and has been regularly moved on. I suppose you could contact BMW with the VIN and see it's history of going into the dealerships for work done. This would at least cover the first 3 years of manufacturer's warranty.

I have read threads where cars with reg. plates beginning Y, were BMW UK cars and were then moved into dealer demos which could count for 2 owners.

And my own 335i bought last year on a 59 had 3 prior owners and no problems at all, so owner numbers are not always a bad sign.

I think if you go for it, there must be scope to negotiate the price (seemed a lot to me) down, for example alloys looked in need of some work and 5 owners does devalue a car.

Mark e90 · 08-07-2015, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbm007

Here's the build sheet:

Code:

Model description:	325i
Market:			Europa
Type:			WE32
E-Code:			E92
Chassis:		Coupé
Steering:		rechts
Doors:			2
Engine:			N53B30U0 - 3,00l (160kW)
Drive:			Heckantrieb
Transmission:		automatisch
Body Color:		Le-mans-blau Metallic (381)
Upholstery:		Leder Dakota/schwarz (LCSW)
Production date:	18.11.2008
Assembled in:		Regensburg
 
Code	Standard Equipment
S1CBA	CO2 package
S502A	Headlight cleaning system
S520A	Fog lights
S522A	Xenon Light
S853A	Language version English

Code	Optional Equipment
S1CAA	Selection of COP relevant vehicles
S1CDA	Brake Energy Regeneration
S205A	Automatic transmission
S249A	Multifunction f steering wheel
S2MPA	BMW alloy wheel, M double spoke 225
S2PAA	Lug bolt retainer
S302A	Alarm system
S313A	Fold-in outside mirror
P337A	M Sports package
S423A	Floor mats, velours
S428A	Warning triangle and first aid kit
S431A	Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S441A	Smoker package
S459A	Seat adjuster, electric, with memory
S470A	Isofix-System
S481A	Sports seat
S494A	Seat heating driver/passenger
S4AEA	Armrest front, retractable
S4B9A	Interieurleisten Alu Feinschliff
S507A	Park Distance Control (PDC), rear
S521A	Rain sensor
S534A	Automatic air conditioning
S544A	Cruise control with brake function
S563A	Light package
S609A	Navigation system Professional
S612A	BMW Assist
S615A	Expanded BMW Online Information
S616A	BMW Online
S620A	Voice control
S633A	Preparation, mobile phone, Business
S694A	Provisions for BMW 6 CD changer
S698A	Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6AAA	BMW TeleServices
S6ABA	Control for Teleservices
S704A	M Sports suspension
S715A	M Aerodynamics package
S760A	High gloss shadow line
S761A	Individual sunshade glazing
S775A	Headlining anthracite
S7XAA	M Leathr. wheel+shift paddle+multifunc.
L812A	NATIONAL VERSION GREAT BRITAIN
S850A	Additional Export tank filling
S863A	Retailer Directory Europe
S877A	Delete cross-pattern operation
S880A	On-board vehicle literature English
S8S2A	Coding alarm signal
S8S3A	Automatic locking when driving off
S8SCA	Telematics access request,country-spec.
S8SMA	Car ident. number visible from outside
S8SPA	Control unit COP

Very decent spec, does have a lot of previous owners though imo

Thanks mate, Yeah think i will give this one a miss. its in arnold clark so likely its been traded in and why put 5+ owners that could mean anything really.... also not a fan of the colour and its an auto..... oh well on to the next one

1 AKY · 08-07-2015, 07:40 PM

Gone off the idea of an E91 then?

Mark e90 · 08-08-2015, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

Gone off the idea of an E91 then?

no not gone off the e91 just keeping my options open as a nationwide search for an e91 in my price range is giving 15 cars :thumb down. I like both e91 and e92 for different reasons but i honestly couldn't say i would prefer one over the other so just keeping a look out for both which gives me around 80 cars nationwide in my price range

Kerr · 08-10-2015, 05:26 AM

As soon as you said Arnold Clark, that was enough.

Don't take the risk to buy off that company. They have a deplorable record of selling duds and that car already has question marks.

Even on brand new cars they will do all they can to worm out of doing the right thing.

Kerr · 08-10-2015, 05:36 AM

Also what's the numbers written on the front and the back windows?

I'm guessing they are numbers for the local car auctions?

My brother was looking at cars recently. He seen a couple in Arnold Clark's dealers that were also sent out to auctions.

They do now seem to try and sell a few older cars from their dealerships that would have normally gone straight to auction. They were asking too much at the dealer, but the cars sold really cheap at auction.

dest · 08-12-2015, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markcaughey

no not gone off the e91 just keeping my options open as a nationwide search for an e91 in my price range is giving 15 cars :thumb down. I like both e91 and e92 for different reasons but i honestly couldn't say i would prefer one over the other so just keeping a look out for both which gives me around 80 cars nationwide in my price range

15 is a big choice when looking for a rare car!
When I was looking for mine I only ever had a choice of 5 at best for months

Mark e90 · 08-12-2015, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dest

15 is a big choice when looking for a rare car!
When I was looking for mine I only ever had a choice of 5 at best for months

I suppose... just checked there on Auto Trader and when i specified the search for manual cars there is only 2 nation wide..... due to this reason i am willing to settle for an auto but it would need to tick most of the other boxes if that was the case.

dest i was just reading the thread on your car, stunning car and think you have definitely made the right choice to hold onto it. I think i have learned my lesson on selling a good car so quickly, in the past the right car has always come up just at the right time, not this time though

dest · 08-13-2015, 10:14 AM

Amount of owners is only a number on a bit of paper.
It's the current condition that's important

JackHerring · 08-14-2015, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sbm007

Here's the build sheet:

Code:

Model description:	325i
Market:			Europa
Type:			WE32
E-Code:			E92
Chassis:		Coupé
Steering:		rechts
Doors:			2
Engine:			N53B30U0 - 3,00l (160kW)
Drive:			Heckantrieb
Transmission:		automatisch
Body Color:		Le-mans-blau Metallic (381)
Upholstery:		Leder Dakota/schwarz (LCSW)
Production date:	18.11.2008
Assembled in:		Regensburg
 
Code	Standard Equipment
S1CBA	CO2 package
S502A	Headlight cleaning system
S520A	Fog lights
S522A	Xenon Light
S853A	Language version English

Code	Optional Equipment
S1CAA	Selection of COP relevant vehicles
S1CDA	Brake Energy Regeneration
S205A	Automatic transmission
S249A	Multifunction f steering wheel
S2MPA	BMW alloy wheel, M double spoke 225
S2PAA	Lug bolt retainer
S302A	Alarm system
S313A	Fold-in outside mirror
P337A	M Sports package
S423A	Floor mats, velours
S428A	Warning triangle and first aid kit
S431A	Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S441A	Smoker package
S459A	Seat adjuster, electric, with memory
S470A	Isofix-System
S481A	Sports seat
S494A	Seat heating driver/passenger
S4AEA	Armrest front, retractable
S4B9A	Interieurleisten Alu Feinschliff
S507A	Park Distance Control (PDC), rear
S521A	Rain sensor
S534A	Automatic air conditioning
S544A	Cruise control with brake function
S563A	Light package
S609A	Navigation system Professional
S612A	BMW Assist
S615A	Expanded BMW Online Information
S616A	BMW Online
S620A	Voice control
S633A	Preparation, mobile phone, Business
S694A	Provisions for BMW 6 CD changer
S698A	Area-Code 2 for DVD
S6AAA	BMW TeleServices
S6ABA	Control for Teleservices
S704A	M Sports suspension
S715A	M Aerodynamics package
S760A	High gloss shadow line
S761A	Individual sunshade glazing
S775A	Headlining anthracite
S7XAA	M Leathr. wheel+shift paddle+multifunc.
L812A	NATIONAL VERSION GREAT BRITAIN
S850A	Additional Export tank filling
S863A	Retailer Directory Europe
S877A	Delete cross-pattern operation
S880A	On-board vehicle literature English
S8S2A	Coding alarm signal
S8S3A	Automatic locking when driving off
S8SCA	Telematics access request,country-spec.
S8SMA	Car ident. number visible from outside
S8SPA	Control unit COP

Very decent spec, does have a lot of previous owners though imo

What website did you use to find this?

Mark e90 · 08-15-2015, 04:42 AM

thanks for the info guys but i have written this car off as an option now. My eye has wondered to audis now aswell. circa 2010 A4 avants are nice looking cars but the diesels seem very slow compared to the BMW diesels and the only petrol engine is the 2.0 TFSI which gives decent performance and again very rare

Kerr · 08-17-2015, 07:06 AM

I wouldn't look at 2.0 petrol Audis.

Google oil usage on them.

AlwynMike · 08-17-2015, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markcaughey

thanks for the info guys but i have written this car off as an option now. My eye has wondered to audis now aswell. circa 2010 A4 avants are nice looking cars but the diesels seem very slow compared to the BMW diesels and the only petrol engine is the 2.0 TFSI which gives decent performance and again very rare

The Audi diesels don't only seem very slow, they ARE pretty slow compared to the BMW diesels.
I tried the 3 litre as a replacement for my 335d when it got bent. I didn't expect similar performance, but on a well known (to me) stretch of road, the Audi (A4 Sportback) was a good 30mph slower than the BMW. I cut short the test drive and took it back - no contest for me, back to BMW!

As for the VAG group petrol engine oil usage - my wife has a Skoda Fabia vRS - with the later type engine - and that needs about 500ml per 1000 miles. She doesn't give it stick and does mostly short runs. That sort of consumption is manageable, but shouldn't happen in this modern age - my 40-odd year old MG doesn't use that in 3000 miles!
However, it is a lot better than some reports of consumption in these engines, and 180bhp from a 1.4 is quite impressive, and is an entertaining drive!

Mike

dy63 · 08-17-2015, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwynMike

The Audi diesels don't only seem very slow, they ARE pretty slow compared to the BMW diesels.
I tried the 3 litre as a replacement for my 335d when it got bent. I didn't expect similar performance, but on a well known (to me) stretch of road, the Audi (A4 Sportback) was a good 30mph slower than the BMW. I cut short the test drive and took it back - no contest for me, back to BMW!

As for the VAG group petrol engine oil usage - my wife has a Skoda Fabia vRS - with the later type engine - and that needs about 500ml per 1000 miles. She doesn't give it stick and does mostly short runs. That sort of consumption is manageable, but shouldn't happen in this modern age - my 40-odd year old MG doesn't use that in 3000 miles!
However, it is a lot better than some reports of consumption in these engines, and 180bhp from a 1.4 is quite impressive, and is an entertaining drive!

Mike

IMO the audi diesels are quicker than BMW. 335d is in a different category to the normal 3.0 TDI VAG engine though.

2.0TDI audi engine I find are quicker than 320d etc in both gearboxes.

I have driven A5 3.0d and it seems about same as 330d

225_AB · 08-17-2015, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupraraj

IMO the audi diesels are quicker than BMW. 335d is in a different category to the normal 3.0 TDI VAG engine though.

2.0TDI audi engine I find are quicker than 320d etc in both gearboxes.

I have driven A5 3.0d and it seems about same as 330d

Not according to the official specs on parkers

dy63 · 08-18-2015, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doc_ab

Not according to the official specs on parkers

bhp figures don't mean everything.

my x6 has got 286bhp but I know for a fact a 220bhp car with less weight will beat me.

320d are really slow for a 177bhp. have you driven a a3 2.0 tdi 170? they come off the mark really quick and keep on going.

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Norris-wf Private First Class 54 Rep 168 Posts Drives: f31 335d Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Edinburgh iTrader: (0)	I dont know the car, but when you say the newer style sat-nav, do you mean the CIC? If so, mine is also a 58 plate with the same CIC as these came in late 2008
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smuler First Lieutenant 51 Rep 306 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Wales iTrader: (0)	A high number of owners would make me think the car's possibly had problems and has been regularly moved on. I suppose you could contact BMW with the VIN and see it's history of going into the dealerships for work done. This would at least cover the first 3 years of manufacturer's warranty. I have read threads where cars with reg. plates beginning Y, were BMW UK cars and were then moved into dealer demos which could count for 2 owners. And my own 335i bought last year on a 59 had 3 prior owners and no problems at all, so owner numbers are not always a bad sign. I think if you go for it, there must be scope to negotiate the price (seemed a lot to me) down, for example alloys looked in need of some work and 5 owners does devalue a car.
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Kerr Brigadier General 114 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	As soon as you said Arnold Clark, that was enough. Don't take the risk to buy off that company. They have a deplorable record of selling duds and that car already has question marks. Even on brand new cars they will do all they can to worm out of doing the right thing.
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Kerr Brigadier General 114 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	Also what's the numbers written on the front and the back windows? I'm guessing they are numbers for the local car auctions? My brother was looking at cars recently. He seen a couple in Arnold Clark's dealers that were also sent out to auctions. They do now seem to try and sell a few older cars from their dealerships that would have normally gone straight to auction. They were asking too much at the dealer, but the cars sold really cheap at auction.
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dest Major 85 Rep 1,376 Posts Drives: LCI E91 320d M Sport Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Northamptonshire iTrader: (4)	Amount of owners is only a number on a bit of paper. It's the current condition that's important
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Mark e90 Captain 115 Rep 711 Posts Drives: BMW e90 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Scotland iTrader: (0)	thanks for the info guys but i have written this car off as an option now. My eye has wondered to audis now aswell. circa 2010 A4 avants are nice looking cars but the diesels seem very slow compared to the BMW diesels and the only petrol engine is the 2.0 TFSI which gives decent performance and again very rare
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Kerr Brigadier General 114 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't look at 2.0 petrol Audis. Google oil usage on them.
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