[Redbmwm33]

Originally Posted by Brule

He lied about his stage 2+ turbos.
The only reason the turbos made alot more power then anyone was because he had no inlets attached to his turbos.
He was marketing how good his turbos were but really he just had screens on his turbo, no inlets at all.

He's a liar and shouldn't be trusted.

Now he has the gc turbos that seem to be performing well. But how can you trust him.

This claim about stage 2+ turbos making turbos without inlets attached is absolutely false. A local stage 2+ owner made 680whp here in San Antonio Texas. He did so with inlets and it's also very well documented. I can't stand how people just go off of emotion and not facts about the product. I've seen 2+ turbos running for 30k+ miles with no issues at all making over 650+ WHP.

[Give_Em_The_DD]

Originally Posted by artsoasis

This claim about stage 2+ turbos making turbos without inlets attached is absolutely false. A local stage 2+ owner made 680whp here in San Antonio Texas. He did so with inlets and it's also very well documented. I can't stand how people just go off of emotion and not facts about the product. I've seen 2+ turbos running for 30k+ miles with no issues at all making over 650+ WHP.

The above statement isn't 100% false-

When tony first made the claim, I'm not sure on the exact HP, I think it was in the 640 area (again not positive) it was determined that he did indeed do the dyno run with a screen on the turbos, no inlets- making consumers think that they too could make this type of power on STOCK inlets.

I believe a 3rd party did go and physically look at the car, and that was what was found. Tony also said he tried inlets prior, and they didn't net much (I have that screen shotted on my old phone, I'll dig it up), yet lo and behold he introduced silicon inlets. It's pretty apparent that Tony has a hard on for wanting to be "first" or if he didn't think of it, or didn't do it, it's crap.

No one is doubting the VTT 2+ power, I think
What many people don't believe is Tony. The 3rd party results of great guys like The Ghost, are what make people interested.

At the time of that first 2+ dyno, the only viable inlet solution was TFT/Brian Mays, someone who Tony has bashed for the last 2 years.

Also- 2 plus years and 30k miles? I could be wrong but weren't the 2+ turbos opened for pre order in late October 2014- and most people received their orders 3-5 months after that, meaning mid 2015.....My math could be wrong, but 2 years and 30k doesn't make sense????

[jippii ensio]

Originally Posted by artsoasis

This claim about stage 2+ turbos making turbos without inlets attached is absolutely false. A local stage 2+ owner made 680whp here in San Antonio Texas. He did so with inlets and it's also very well documented. I can't stand how people just go off of emotion and not facts about the product. I've seen 2+ turbos running for 30k+ miles with no issues at all making over 650+ WHP.

You missed the point. The guy is right. He is talking about Vargas, not Houston. Inlets were non-existent at the time. Vargas thought he can make the power with stock inlets. The early customers were mislead. Either in purpose or due to the incompetence.

[Young_Man]

Updates?

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

We will be making an announcement very soon.

Edit: By very soon I mean the next couple of days. Cliff Notes: These processes are ALWAYS slower than we want, but we're there, it's happening, and the announcement will be done this week.

[gatorheel]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

Most haters haven't even used the the product. Take opinions with a grain of salt and only from firsthand people with experience.

Forums and their reviews and other information can be severely misleading, down right incorrect and be regurgitated with false truths; sometimes even unknowingly by the naysayer.

Product means nothing when business practices are dog shit. Waited almost a year for turbos that would be delivered in "2-3 weeks". Emails chains for days with empty promises. It is easier dealing with my fucking cable company which says a lot. Eventually delivered and got rid of those things at a loss so as to never deal with VTT again. Needless to say my life is a lot better now.

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Regarding the old 2+'s and inlets....

There were some inconsistencies in capability reports of 2+ back in the day because simply stated the restriction of the stock inlet tubes slipped by everyone for a long time. Now it makes sense, but back then it just wasn't given that much thought -it took a while for the platform needs to really expose it. The "inconsistent" part happens as new info and progress happens... i.e. today we think X and learn something new tomorrow so state Y. This IS what platform progress is.

Originally Posted by gatorheel

Product means nothing when business practices are dog shit. Waited almost a year for turbos that would be delivered in "2-3 weeks". Emails chains for days with empty promises. It is easier dealing with my fucking cable company which says a lot. Eventually delivered and got rid of those things at a loss so as to never deal with VTT again. Needless to say my life is a lot better now.

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with VTT. I can tell you that situations like yours have been heavily weighed in the restructure. Speaking directly to your issue, there are 2 major things that we're doing to address this specifically:

1: The manufacturing process is absolutely filled with delays. How about moving the game from one that relies on expensive and time consuming machining to one that offers same-day-availability on most major parts? That's what we're doing with the GC's. Of course, there was a pre-order (back in Feb) and they're finally here, shipping out and we do expect to be caught up to all pre-orders very soon. Guys are posting about getting tracking numbers and I expect results threads to start popping up.

The above being said, things do go out of stock and the lead time can be very painful. Here is the second idea:

2: We update a simple thread regularly with top 5 or so product statuses, and if there is a delay, articulate what it is and why. I.e.
Inlets: Stock level: good, shipping same day.
Stage 9000 Turbos: Stock Level: None, ETA: Dec 2017 (waiting to be thought up and designed)

It's much better to just have products in stock and shipping, but sometimes a new product comes out and pre-orders are a way for more patient customers (or those who have longer timelines) to save some money. This bounds that process a little better and lets people know exactly what they're getting into.

There is a lot going on right now at Vargas, these are just a couple of things we're doing as we push forward.

You guys enjoy your weekend,
Chris

[Fundguy1]

What's the top power people are making with 2+now?

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

What's the top power people are making with 2+now?

I'm not 100% sure on these -they may have been bettered, but "The Ghost" hit 680 whp on 2+'s with a 20T wheel and a clipped turbine. The EK edition should be worth more whp. The GC's take it a significant step further than that.

[Fundguy1]

What's the ek edition? I have 20T with clipped garrets

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

What's the ek edition? I have 20T with clipped garrets

EK edition was an extra-special modification that took modified stock frames to the absolute limit. Tony hit a 699.x dyno with them. He wrote:

"The EK option is on top of everything else. We only offer this on 20T clipped turbos, with ceramic coating. As it is only for people going for the MAXIMUM power you can get out of stock frames. No details of what is done will be released, as other stock frame manufactures are always playing catch up with us, and we will not be giving away what we spent long, and hard hours, testing, and retesting to find what worked, and what didn't. I will say adding the EK option adds a ton of extra labor, into each turbo. Honestly normal Stage 2+ will be fine for 99% of people, but for those going for all out max the option is now available. We still haven't topped out the EK's yet, but 715-725WHP would seem to be very close to the limit."

I had an in-depth conversation with Tony about what he actually did -one of my curiosities from before I decided to work with VTT. I will say this; it's a TON of extra labor for just a little more performance. If you already have your 2+'s I wouldn't even consider upgrading unless you MUST have a full tilt machine and for some reason you don't just go GC's. I just like them because it shows what lengths he's willing to go to for performance.

Chris

[Fundguy1]

Ok cool. Thx never heard that before.

[TrollToll]

Secret sauce

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

Secret sauce

I like tony's turbos but don't think I want any of his secret sauce.

[Young_Man]

Anybody else have their GC's installed?

[MJ80.]

VVT absolutely full of shit, dont go near them lol, the guys a lunatic.

Cant believe people still arent aware of this, get informed.

[Young_Man]

I'm VERY informed. Tony may be a lunatic but his products work and they work well. I've never had a problem with him and I won't let the issues of others deter me. I'm looking for someone that has some real world results to share though since I am still waiting on my GC's to arrive.

[nikitino25]

Originally Posted by Young_Man

I'm VERY informed. Tony may be a lunatic but his products work and they work well. I've never had a problem with him and I won't let the issues of others deter me. I'm looking for someone that has some real world results to share though since I am still waiting on my GC's to arrive.

Well said, at this point I'm looking at GC's or going single. I would like to see some GC feedback tho and will wait for it until I pull any triggers....

[TrollToll]

Originally Posted by Young_Man

....since I am still waiting on my GC's to arrive.

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[Young_Man]

Originally Posted by Yournamehere90

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What was the purpose of that quote? Lol I was told before I even spent money that there would be a wait and I was also informed that since I'm getting mine ceramic coated the wait would be a little longer. Do you have any actual USEFUL information to share concerning the turbos?

[Chris@VargasTurboTech]

We have quite a few guys starting to filter in some results on GC's -nothing 100% finished yet, just playing Ping-Pong with email and a few rev 1 dyno charts emailed to me. So far so good, but it's early still.

All of the reg GC pre-orders have shipped, most, if not all, of the pre-orders with ceramic coating have shipped. The ceramic coating is a bit of a wild card with time delay in that we've been told 2 weeks and had it be 3 weeks, and we've planned on 3 weeks and had them turn them around in 3 days. If you need an estimated number for planning an install date -assume 3 extra weeks (worst case scenario is most conservative... so you're not sitting around waiting for turbos the morning of your install). Remember to allow a couple days for shipping too.

Normal GC's are in stock and ship in 1-2 business days.

Chris