E90Post
 


Extreme Powerhouse
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > E90 / E92 / E93 3-series Technical Forums > Mechanical Maintenance: Break-in / Oil & Fluids / Servicing / Warranty > Condition Based Maintenance -A BMW Scam



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-23-2008, 03:00 PM   #1
DonnyGirl
Private First Class
United Kingdom
23
Rep
112
Posts

Drives: 325 SE + sports susp SG
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sutton UK

iTrader: (0)

Thumbs down Condition Based Maintenance -A BMW Scam

I have had my BMW E30 for less than two years (~32000 Miles), now its CBT is asking for a Service/Inspection every 3 months/4500 Miles . This is either

a) The Engine/Car reliability has deteriotated badly
b) The CBM service is corrupted/confused/ not very intelligent !
c) Its a BMW scam to bring in more Servicing costs

The car did not require its first service, until it had done 17,500 miles, after around 16 months of use. I was then pretty impressed with CBM. But now the CBM is asking for a Service/ Inspection every 3 to 4 months ! My previous 20 year old E30 BMW only needed a Servcie every 6 months, ~ 10,000 miles. If this is really typical of an E30 Servicing needs I am no longer impressed and I am going to have to ditch it, and go for a more reliable/cheaper to maintain Audi instead

Anyone else having similiar experience ?

Cheers

Donny
Appreciate 0
      01-23-2008, 03:53 PM   #2
canucklion
pull my finger to get your kinder® surprise
canucklion's Avatar
Canada
152
Rep
10,455
Posts

Drives: circles around you
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada

iTrader: (9)

By E30, you meant E90?

There's a post somewhere here that shows you how they calculate the interval. Wish E90Fleet could chime in.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-23-2008, 04:04 PM   #3
DonnyGirl
Private First Class
United Kingdom
23
Rep
112
Posts

Drives: 325 SE + sports susp SG
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sutton UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by canucklion View Post
By E30, you meant E90?
.
Yep sorry, I did mean my 'new' E90 3 series (being compared to my old E30 3 series)
The CBM (or CBS) does not seem smart enough to recognise combining upcomming Oil changes with Inspections, so BMW are coining it in. Not that they actually do much in either Oil Change or Inspection.
Appreciate 0
      01-23-2008, 05:04 PM   #4
O-cha
Brigadier General
O-cha's Avatar
243
Rep
4,726
Posts

Drives: Mcoupe
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: In front of you

iTrader: (2)

Dealers and BMW are separate. BMW doesn't really make money when the dealer services your car, the mechanics make money off the labor and the dealer pockets a little too. BMW might make a few cents on materials at best.


In other words BMW has no reason to try and scam you into going in for service.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2008, 09:13 AM   #5
txusa03
Major General
602
Rep
6,563
Posts

Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Planet Earth

iTrader: (3)

Not at all familiar with UK service program but maybe it is a sign to bring the car in to check the service indicator itself.

I have no problem with the CBM. My understanding is the system will notify you that a service is needed (that does not mean it is an oil change). Either you have to scroll throught the list of service to see which service is due or take it in and bmw will tell you what service is needed or tell you the CBM is screwy and need fixing itself.
__________________
under construction!
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2008, 10:41 AM   #6
UncleWede
Long Time Admirer, First Time Owner
UncleWede's Avatar
United_States
18673
Rep
9,445
Posts

Drives: G01 X3 M40i Dark Graphite
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Oxnard, CA

iTrader: (0)

Had an inspection about 3 months after first oil change. Then another 3 months and they needed to replace the air filters for the cabin, so i had them do the ozone treatment too. Right about due for another oil change now.

It's never cost me more than a few minutes of time at the dealership, and I've always received a loaner vehicle of some sort for the day.
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2008, 11:32 AM   #7
Mr. 5
Modder Raider
Mr. 5's Avatar
Scotland
838
Rep
8,633
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Surf City, HB

iTrader: (31)

Garage List
2007 e90 335i  [8.00]
I actually think the opposite.
I think that it's ridiculous that we go 17k miles before an oil change.

They claim free maintenance and do 3 oil changes in 50k miles?
That's maintenance??
__________________
e36 M3 Coupe, e36 325i Sedan
e90 335i--SOLD

Best 60-130-------------9.15 Seconds------------------WWW.MR5RACING.COM
Appreciate 0
      01-24-2008, 05:49 PM   #8
E90330iS
Major General
Germany
150
Rep
6,333
Posts

Drives: BMW M4
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Arcadia, California

iTrader: (56)

Garage List
2006 330i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. 5 View Post
I actually think the opposite.
I think that it's ridiculous that we go 17k miles before an oil change.

They claim free maintenance and do 3 oil changes in 50k miles?
That's maintenance??
very irresponsible maintenence.. nice avatar lol i forgot where thats from
__________________
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2008, 03:43 AM   #9
Ryan@Motorwerks
Captain
Ryan@Motorwerks's Avatar
49
Rep
963
Posts

Drives: X3M
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Houston, TX

iTrader: (0)

well if you want reliability you sure as hell shouldn't go with Audi...
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2008, 05:15 AM   #10
blacktzak
Private
7
Rep
52
Posts

Drives: 2008 335i. sparkling graphite
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: BERKELEY,CA

iTrader: (0)

no doubt...



audi is right along with vw when it comes to reliability...
Appreciate 0
      01-25-2008, 08:39 AM   #11
txusa03
Major General
602
Rep
6,563
Posts

Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Planet Earth

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. 5 View Post
I actually think the opposite.
I think that it's ridiculous that we go 17k miles before an oil change.

They claim free maintenance and do 3 oil changes in 50k miles?
That's maintenance??
What should it be called then, limited hassle free maintenance

On a more serious note: I like the direction bmw is going with their oil change in term of environmental responsibility. I think CBM is great in that it reduces the amount of oil we used. Also, I think BMW has been on the leading edge with the more power and less fuel consumption campaign (maybe not in the ///M division ).
__________________
under construction!
Appreciate 0
      01-30-2008, 12:06 AM   #12
ages944
Captain
ages944's Avatar
Poland
99
Rep
990
Posts

Drives: E90 325i
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Chicago 'burbs

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. 5 View Post
I actually think the opposite.
I think that it's ridiculous that we go 17k miles before an oil change.

They claim free maintenance and do 3 oil changes in 50k miles?
That's maintenance??
It's called cost cutting.

You'd actually be forgiven to think that these cars never need anything changed from the way they talk about it, and I don't buy it. To me at least, the fluids especially are just plain funny. It's all 'lifetime fill,' or else has some very long change intervals.

If BMW's fluids are so clearly superior, then I have a great idea for them. Sell the stuff on the open market so anyone can buy them. Compete against Mobil 1 with oil, Redline for the trans, etc. The way I've heard these things played up, BMW should have no problem putting the competition out of business.


n.b. this is a bit tongue in cheek
__________________
BMW : Sine qua non

Mods: Blacklines | Rear Seat Power Outlets | Rear Fog Lights | Ashtray Garage Door Opener
Appreciate 0
      01-30-2008, 10:41 PM   #13
GMWNashville
Colonel
United_States
173
Rep
2,373
Posts

Drives: 19 G05, 16 F80, 10 E70x5D
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Nashville, TN

iTrader: (2)

lol...have you guys ever seen the oil after 15k? its NASTY...im a tech and id still change my oil every 5k MAX...why? why not?? all your doing is protecting your own investment...their oils are available at the dealer...but their motor oil is castrol..5w30
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST