[Taskmaster]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Electric cars are an absolute joke with half baked "Technology" that is at least 10 years away. Seriously, batteries?

You can't drive more than 300 miles without charging it for hours. How stupid is that? You can fill up a car in <5 minutes and you have another 400-500 miles. There are already regular gas engine cars getting 50+ mpg, giving you over 500 miles in range on a 10 gallon tank.

Electricity is also not free or clean. Batteries are not clean..AT ALL. And these Teslas break down all the time. The new one is a $40,000 civic that can't even do what a Civic can do.

Just an all around fail.

Top Gear did a great piece on the failure of electric/hybrid vehicles 10 years ago and nothing has changed since then.

THIS!

It's barely a real car, it can't be driven reasonably hard, has inferior range, quality, reliability and is the pinnacle of presumptions douchebaggery.

It's a cheap plastic power wheel with a heavy markup not ready for prime time. People are so fixated on having the newest 'thing' they can barely recognize their ass from their face.

Chances are, in 2 - 3 years, you'll be diving a ICE car and still pretending this pos is a viable product, all because you want to buy into the newest fad, but know it's not practical.

[P1]

Not going to talk about the technology, but goodness, those things are awful to look at outside and inside...

[TrevorM3]

the passenger seat literally look like it came out of a camry

[Questofthetune]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

the passenger seat literally look like it came out of a camry

At least you know the seat will be reliable.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Try opening them with 2 feet of snow/ice on the roof.

Hadn't thought about that (not a problem over here, that would be about 4 years accumulation in most of the UK). What a dumb piece of engineering for countries with real weather!

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

the passenger seat literally look like it came out of a camry

Driver's seat Terrible though, isn't it? Even unworn it would look cheap, but this car is '17 plate, which means no older than March 2017, and already looks that tired.

I don't know how US pricing stacks up, but over here the Model X starts at almost £70k (equivalent of $90k) and the 100D I drove is a £95k ($123k) car in that spec. A high spec Cayenne S is less than £70k and a Cayenne Turbo lists at £96k.

I do think electric has some potential and I imagine real manufacturers like BMW, Mercedes and even Toyota will blow Tesla out of the water when they bring their competing models to market. The share price says I am wrong, of course.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Wow

That is definitely Heisenberg's ride

[mike@Vossen]

Novitec has their first Tesla program starting with the Model X.... We made a collaboration wheel together...

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by mike@Vossen

Novitec has their first Tesla program starting with the Model X.... We made a collaboration wheel together...

Some nice additions bringing a little extra style to the Model X - it does need all the help it can get.

Wheel options are ridiculous (over here at least) coming in at over £2k for grey painted wheels and £4/5k to upsize. Aftermarket could be the ticket if the prices of factory ones are similar in the US.

[Maynard]

Stop the presses - I thought it was an ugly POS with no real reason to exist ($125K for a glorified Civic?!?). But if you can get aftermarket wheels on it, suddenly it seems like a cool idea.

But seriously - hoping we can emerge from the tyranny of the short-attention-span thinking and approach transportation from a macro perspective. As others have noted, we already have good reliable tech to produce massive improvements in efficiency, without adding new environmental and economic burdens. For what it would cost to put half the households into one of these, you could probably fund a fantastic network of functional bus/subway and Uber-type vehicles that would save energy, but also have many other benefits (transport for those who can't drive, or are too drunk to do so safely). If we could get Timmy to soccer practice some other way, we might even wake up and start to legislate a bit better about unsafe teen drivers, in-car texting, etc.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Stop the presses - I thought it was an ugly POS with no real reason to exist ($125K for a glorified Civic?!?). But if you can get aftermarket wheels on it, suddenly it seems like a cool idea.

But seriously - hoping we can emerge from the tyranny of the short-attention-span thinking and approach transportation from a macro perspective. As others have noted, we already have good reliable tech to produce massive improvements in efficiency, without adding new environmental and economic burdens. For what it would cost to put half the households into one of these, you could probably fund a fantastic network of functional bus/subway and Uber-type vehicles that would save energy, but also have many other benefits (transport for those who can't drive, or are too drunk to do so safely). If we could get Timmy to soccer practice some other way, we might even wake up and start to legislate a bit better about unsafe teen drivers, in-car texting, etc.

This is spot on, autonomy and other technological/social shifts will (should) have the bigger impact. Teslas are barely less of a Dodo than any other vehicle. The mainstream manufacturers will take back electric (personal) vehicle market share when their superior quality products come online. Uber/Lyft type vehicles are an open goal waiting to be scored by whoever can be visionary enough to bring something new (and correctly executed) to the market.

[eleniki]

The exterior design is not appealing at all..

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by eleniki

The exterior design is not appealing at all..

Agree. It's really lacking the kind of detail and surfacing that we are used to seeing in mainstream, never mind premium, vehicles. Simple shapes can work if details, surfacing and volumes give the design some punch, e.g. Audi A8. That doesn't happen here.

The interior is a bit limited too, unless a giant iPad is your idea of appealing

[Domotron]

i dont know if i like those rear doors ...

[CTinline-six]

The Tesla is a niche vehicle, just like the Prius. There is a reason they make these electric and hybrid vehicles so crazy looking, it is for those who feel the need to let others know how special they are. You can recognize the cheese wedge shaped Prius from 10 miles away.

Sure, people will buy them because of the name, but after a while fewer people will be willing to spend 90 grand on an electric car with a Toyota Camry interior. At least if you buy a Mercedes-Benz you get a nice comfy interior for your money in addition to the name and the driving characteristics.

Most of the people I see driving Teslas are people with "new money". Younger successful people, the type who would put a deposit/order on a vehicle before even knowing how it would drive, since that is not what they care about. The CEOs and company directors are still in a Benz, Porsche, Audi, or BMW.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

The Tesla is a niche vehicle, just like the Prius. There is a reason they make these electric and hybrid vehicles so crazy looking, it is for those who feel the need to let others know how special they are. You can recognize the cheese wedge shaped Prius from 10 miles away.

Sure, people will buy them because of the name, but after a while fewer people will be willing to spend 90 grand on an electric car with a Toyota Camry interior. At least if you buy a Mercedes-Benz you get a nice comfy interior for your money in addition to the name and the driving characteristics.

Most of the people I see driving Teslas are people with "new money". Younger successful people, the type who would put a deposit/order on a vehicle before even knowing how it would drive, since that is not what they care about. The CEOs and company directors are still in a Benz, Porsche, Audi, or BMW.

Truth

[wdb]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

The Tesla is a niche vehicle, just like the Prius.

The sales figures for the Prius line are in the hundreds of thousands of units per year. (I'll stop right there.)

[KenB925]

I wish there were forums that I could copy and paste from the 1950's,
'that fuel injection will never catch on'
'I can tune my carb for better fuel economy that all that junk'
'sure the feulie is faster, when its working right'

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by KenB925

I wish there were forums that I could copy and paste from the 1950's,
'that fuel injection will never catch on'
'I can tune my carb for better fuel economy that all that junk'
'sure the feulie is faster, when its working right'

This is a little different. People are driving electric lawnmowers

[KenB925]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

This is a little different. People are driving electric lawnmowers

or the teens and 1920s,

'horseless carriage, what a bunch a nonsense, my horse never runs out of gas, and it doesn't get stuck in the mud! Hell, there are only 7 gas stations in the whole state'

'them cars are just unreliable toys for dumb rich people, never gonna catch on, they all just want to be seen in a car'

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by KenB925

or the teens and 1920s,

'horseless carriage, what a bunch a nonsense, my horse never runs out of gas, and it doesn't get stuck in the mud! Hell, there are only 7 gas stations in the whole state'

'them cars are just unreliable toys for dumb rich people, never gonna catch on, they all just want to be seen in a car'

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[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by KenB925

or the teens and 1920s,

'horseless carriage, what a bunch a nonsense, my horse never runs out of gas, and it doesn't get stuck in the mud! Hell, there are only 7 gas stations in the whole state'

'them cars are just unreliable toys for dumb rich people, never gonna catch on, they all just want to be seen in a car'

No thanks