[Lups]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

You do realize with a bit of training he could have done just as much damage with a hang gun and a couple of magazines. At close quarters a .40 round will put a quick end to you. How does the AR15 make it easy to just shoot around? A handgun is actually a lot easier to maneuver with in tight quarters do to its size. The AR15 is pretty bulky actually. And inside a classroom it does not matter if you have a handgun or a AR15. Both are semi automatic and at short range both are equally lethal. The big plus of the AR15 in that case is the fact you won’t have to reload as often due to magazine size.

I do, but he would still have a huge tactical advantage.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Except sheriff deputies aren't rent-a-cops. The deputy on video staying outside made around $75K a year, not $10/hour. If there were additional deputies who didn't go in, as reports are indicating, that means the armed, trained police contracted to protect the town did not do so in this case and calls into question their abilities in any situation, school or otherwise.

Thank you for making my point for me.

If those bring paid $75k a year refuse to go into the line of Fire, the $10 an hour 3rd Party Rent-A-Cop will say “fuck this. Let them fire me. I’m not risking my life for this”.

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Lups

It is pretty hilarious to assume the teachers have a shot against a bloke like this one. They're panicking, students are panicking, a school is not exactly a shooting range and having a clear shot safely is not something that'll be available to them.

I would've stayed outside too, or tried to go nearer to direct the real professionals to the right place sooner. A hand gun against an AR is not something anyone I know would gamble with.

Missing the point entirely.

Teachers would not lead assault.

They would Shelter in place in Classroom with Students.

If Shooter came into Classroom, as all kids would be in back of room with Teacher, direct clear line of shot to Shooter as they come through classroom door.

No one in line of fire but Shooter.

As of today, they are defenseless to a Shooter. I’d rather give Teacher first chance to aim for Shooter when they come through that door.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

Missing the point entirely.

Teachers would not lead assault.

They would Shelter in place in Classroom with Students.

If Shooter came into Classroom, as all kids would be in back of room with Teacher, direct clear line of shot to Shooter as they come through classroom door.

No one in line of fire but Shooter.

As of today, they are defenseless to a Shooter. I’d rather give Teacher first chance to aim for Shooter when they come through that door.

So if a fire alarm rings, everybody stays in class?

[Mingwan]

Hindsight is 20/20.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by FlaPatsFan

Now you are getting into the process of hiring and training. The better paying Departments and Sheriffs Offices will get better more qualified applicants, thus putting better Officers and Deputies on the streets. The lower paying ones will get the left over applicants who are now on their second, third or even fourth choice of places they wanted to work. As for training, each Sheriff and Police Chief determine how much/what training and equipment to issue to their ppl.

This goes much deeper then 1 or 2 Deputies choosing poor action.

And too the poster who said a Glock is adequate fire power during this type of scenario, it will do but a short barrel rifle is made for close quarter combat and better at long range and short range shots, especially since mostvall are equipped with laser sites which the hand guns issued to LEOs are not.

And one last thing....if you have never shot any type of gun in a high stress situation such as this it is not easy! It takes long hours of constant shooting and breathing techniques to control yourself and where that bullet goes. If you shoot you are responsible for every bullet coming out of your gun!!!! Huge liability!!!

Does Coral Spring PD pay more than BSO (if you know - I don't). What is adequate comp to expect a response in a crisis?

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Lups

You're correct naturally, but again, who ever would be facing off the shooter would basically be shaking with adrenaline so much he or she would more likely shoot students than the shooter.

And one more thing: How exactly are you guys going to pay for this all? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just take away assault rifles from kids?

A child has a slightly better chance of becoming President of the USA (1 in 10,000,000) than being killed in a School Mass Shooting.

The odds of death by Asteroid is only 1 in 200,000 so that is far more likely.

In fact 737 people dies annually from falling out of bed, which makes this 100x more likely than a child dying during a School Mass Shooting.

Using your logic, let’s get rid of beds.

Originally Posted by Lups

So if a fire alarm rings, everybody stays in class?

In this case no. But this is a rarity compared to other Mass School Shootings.

If i were a school shooter, I’d call in a bomb threat and pick everyone off at the fenced choke point entry/exits that various had posted here.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

A child has a slightly better chance of becoming President of the USA (1 in 10,000,000) than being killed in a School Mass Shooting.

The odds of death by Asteroid is only 1 in 200,000 so that is far more likely.

In fact 737 people dies annually from falling out of bed, which makes this 100x more likely than a child dying during a School Mass Shooting.

You guys must have a ton of presidents hidden in some president factory then!

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Lups

I think it would be cheaper for your country just to push back the age limit.

I have no issue pushing limit from 18 -21.

However, I had no issue with buying beer at 16 when the legal age was higher either.

And again, California has 100% ban on Assault Weapons Sales, yet this was what a student in Whittier California was caught with Thursday.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

I have no issue pushing limit from 18 -21.

However, I had no issue with buying beer at 16 when the legal age was higher either.

And again, California has 100% ban on Assault Weapons Sales, yet this was what a student in Whittier California was caught with Thursday.

When I drove to California, there was no border where someone would've stopped me to ask if I had a boot filled with ar's, so these needs to be a country wide laws.

Murders and accidents will keep happening even if we all ban all weapons from knifes to nukes but we shouldn't make it easy. Humans are resourceful, I'm currently contemplating murdering my spouse by teaching our smaller dog to eat his toes (in my defense, I failed miserably in drawing up my renovation plan, and he took over and is doing a great job while I'm stuck walking our idiot dogs in -14c temperatures and all dog owners know that the best exercise for a dog is to work for their food!).

[IK6SPEED]

Originally Posted by Lups

When I drove to California, there was no border where someone would've stopped me to ask if I had a boot filled with ar's, so these needs to be a country wide laws.

Murders and accidents will keep happening even if we all ban all weapons from knifes to nukes but we shouldn't make it easy. Humans are resourceful, I'm currently contemplating murdering my spouse by teaching our smaller dog to eat his toes (in my defense, I failed miserably in drawing up my renovation plan, and he took over and is doing a great job while I'm stuck walking our idiot dogs in -14c temperatures and all dog owners know that the best exercise for a dog is to work for their food!).

You are assuming person obtained the 2 AR15s and 90 magazines out of State. Link?

BTW, if Federal Law made age 21 legal for Assault Weapons, that would mean anyone in California over 21 could purchase Assualt Weapons where no it’s illegal.

Federal Trumps State.

Be careful what you ask for.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by IK6SPEED

You are assuming person obtained the 2 AR15s and 90 magazines out of State. Link?

BTW, if Federal Law made age 21 legal for Assault Weapons, that would mean anyone in California over 21 could purchase Assualt Weapons where no it’s illegal.

Federal Trumps State.

Be careful what you ask for.

I'm not assuming, I just said how easy getting one to that state could be.

I don't live in the USA anymore, I have no horse in this race but if you wanted to be quick about this, I'd ban weapon purchases from kids (18 is a kid.) country wide, and then allow states to demand extra measures where needed.

Btw, back to my great plan of murder: The dog who made me walk for miles with him is currently acting as a toe warmer to the spouse who is clearly a bad guy since he managed to get the damn house drawing SW working (he read the instructions where as I trusted the age old ways of cussing and ranting). He fed the dog too while I was walking the other one we have so I doubt you need to fear for his safety.

[FlaPatsFan]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Does Coral Spring PD pay more than BSO (if you know - I don't). What is adequate comp to expect a response in a crisis?

I can’t say for sure. But if I had to take an educated guess based on that area of Florida I would say yes CSPD gets paid more then BCSO. Generally speaking most Municipalities (City PDs) Pay more then County Sheriffs Offices. However this is not always the case. In my particular area of Florida the Sheriffs Office pays equal if not more then any local city PD making them the superior Law Enforcement agency in the area.

They also train that way as well! Patrol Deputies are taught the same entry tactics as SWAT! Plus the Sheriff has equipped all patrol Deputies with AR-15s, Active shooter Entry vests (stops a rifle round), and entry helmets. So no doubt these Deputies are trained to enter...hunt...and stop the shooter/s.

Adequate response in my opinion would have been for the School Resource Deputy to at least have made light penetration into the school and start relaying info from those running out about the shooter to all responding units. That info is crucial ( description, clothing, last location seen etc). Then when another unit arrived enter and start hunting the shooter!