[sdiver68]

Originally Posted by raceyBMW

That track is also at 6,000ft elevation, so the M3 would be making about 75% of its horsepower potential that it would at sea level. That is not really a good comparison. The 335 is not affected nearly as much, if at all, at that elevation.

Exactly my point. All the other features of the M3 supposedly superior to the 335i...suspension, LSD, brakes, tuning, the ///M badge, etc...added up to 1 second over a 2 minute lap when the HP was closer to even.

Which is why I say 100% a lightly-modded 335i is faster. Bring the power up in the 335i, add wheels/tires, suspension, and maybe LSD, the 335i easily wins. Take away some of those mods, maybe even all except flash + tires...and the 335i may win.

They both need a big brake kit.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Really Funny... jag offs

My dealer actually pushed the flash on me so good luck telling me it is the Dinan flash....this is the great thing, they cannot be hypocritcal.

Serious note...... Every damn M engine has had teething problems in recent memory, the S54, S62 and S85.

Both the S62 and S85 have had VANOs issues. I would expect some teething issues with the new M3 engine. Good thing is that BMW is so scared of a major fault, they will gladly swap out engines in the beginning.

I am seriously considering an M6, Dinan-Flashed of course.

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

So since the M3 is released anyone have a modded 335i to run it against?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

So since the M3 is released anyone have a modded 335i to run it against?

M3 vs. GTR Dyno

[Vince@ V K Motorwerks]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

M3 vs. GTR Dyno

okay what is that showing me?

[Artz 330]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

So since the M3 is released anyone have a modded 335i to run it against?

yea, read page 3.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

okay what is that showing me?

I was wondering the same thing. We already know the GTR will paste a M3 anytime, anywhere.

It does however show 370ish rwhp for the M3. TQ is so low....

[per]

I raced one in september on a m5board event, the m3 didn´t have a chance,
i had a big advantage from start (at 50km/h) i pulled app 5-10cl up to 200km/h after that the m3 started to get closer but when we hit 250 Km/h (155 miles) i still had app 5cl.

[achien]

do you only know how to drive in a straight line? the M3 will smoke the 335i after one bend...

Originally Posted by Chitown335i

Just reading some stats on the M3 (e92) on road and track. It seems like most 335i's are running actual times of 12.2's with traps of about 112-113mph. However, I see that Road and track is saying that the M3 does it 12.5@114.8 so basically 115. So my question is even with a modified 335i with tune, exhaust, dp's, CAI is the stock M3 going to walk it in a street race?

[TheAcAvenger]

Originally Posted by achien

do you only know how to drive in a straight line? the M3 will smoke the 335i after one bend...

Exactly, most people only know how to drive in a straight line. Which is why while driving my modified 3, i've seen enough M3s on tracks lose to ridiculously inferior cars to know that when two cars are built on the same chassis, with similar power, the quality of the driver will decide who's better in the twisties than the badge on the back.... tires permitting.

[retrodrive]

Originally Posted by per

I raced one in september on a m5board event, the m3 didn´t have a chance,
i had a big advantage from start (at 50km/h) i pulled app 5-10cl up to 200km/h after that the m3 started to get closer but when we hit 250 Km/h (155 miles) i still had app 5cl.

Yeah, I remember that event. The guy who owns the M3 is the same person who orgonized the event. Did he release that race videos in the end or is he still embarassed?

[ArmyBimmerDude]

Originally Posted by retrodrive

Yeah, I remember that event. The guy who owns the M3 is the same person who orgonized the event. Did he release that race videos in the end or is he still embarassed?

They're selling the DVD with all the races.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Can you make a civic faster than a lambo? Sure.

Does that make the civic better than the lambo. Nope.

People who buy the M will buy it because it's an M and they get all that performance directly from the factory instead of half engineered "upgrades" that void warrantys and do not perform like a car straight off the showroom floor.

If you're buying a car strictly for speed get X and add Y to make Z many HP.

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by tvieira24

Can you make a civic faster than a lambo? Sure.

Does that make the civic better than the lambo. Nope.

People who buy the M will buy it because it's an M and they get all that performance directly from the factory instead of half engineered "upgrades" that void warrantys and do not perform like a car straight off the showroom floor.

If you're buying a car strictly for speed get X and add Y to make Z many HP.

That comparo is retarded we aren't even discussing a civic first of all we're talking about a E92 3 series . Like someone else said they share the same chassis and the if the M was driven like it was designed for "on a track" then you'd void your warranty anyway.

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by Jonmartin

That comparo is retarded we aren't even discussing a civic first of all we're talking about a E92 3 series . Like someone else said they share the same chassis and the if the M was driven like it was designed for "on a track" then you'd void your warranty anyway.

+1

This thread is still going??
I need to go test drive the M just to see what the hype is about.

[E(@M#]

after having driven the e92 m3 today down here in sarasota....the car is unbelievably raw.....power delivery is stunning and responsiveness crisp as ever....granted it was a 10 min test drive......compared to the 335i(stock), which i have driven before, the difference between the respective 3'ers is still quite evident....call me a fanboi, call me a badgewhore.....but bmw delivered.....i'm sure that a modded 335i( dp's, tune, cai, etc.) can likely pass it....but hardly the most important factor in buying a car.......at least in my eyes.....if you're looking for performance.....for 70k(sticker on this particular m; surprised to say that there was no markup).....you're looking at a c6 z06....nothing need be said about the c6

[Artz 330]

Originally Posted by E(@M#

after having driven the e92 m3 today down here in sarasota....the car is unbelievably raw.....power delivery is stunning and responsiveness crisp as ever....granted it was a 10 min test drive......compared to the 335i(stock), which i have driven before, the difference between the respective 3'ers is still quite evident....call me a fanboi, call me a badgewhore.....but bmw delivered.....i'm sure that a modded 335i( dp's, tune, cai, etc.) can likely pass it....but hardly the most important factor in buying a car.......at least in my eyes.....if you're looking for performance.....for 70k(sticker on this particular m; surprised to say that there was no markup).....you're looking at a c6 z06....nothing need be said about the c6

WHAT!!!!!!!! You own a E46 M3 (Like your profile states) and you think the new M3 is raw??? To each his own. The car is floaty, weak, and sloppy. BMW has Diluted the M division. The 135i I drove felt much better. Maybe the next gen M3 will be 4,000 LBS Now. The new M3 is a Pig.