[stimpy]

I have some questions regarding the Dinan Tune and I'd appreciate any help you guys can offer.

I'm leaning towards getting the Dinan tune as I like the fact that I can keep my warranty and also because it's 'safer'. I'm not a track guy and don't need to by on the leading edge (Procede 2.0 comes to mind).

So here's my questions...
Am I locked into using Dinan only parts if I go with their tune? Will other parts throw CEL's, void my warranty, etc?

If so - what non Dinan mods could I do that will work well with the tune that won't void warranty? Exhaust...Intake?

I'm just trying to understand how confined I am with a Dinan tune.

[stillclaimndp]

if you want something mild but effective, BMS just brought out a package for 899 shipped with UR DP's, JBX, and BMS Intake. That's ridiculously cheap compared to Dinan and will outperform it in every aspect of driving. OR you can JUST put on Procede 2.1 and have better performance (or detune your performance) and have the potential to add and tune to any parts you ever want. It will have amazing throttle response, the assurance that Vishnu will continue to develop, improve and offer new maps for your specific application, and has built in safety that BMS depends on the car's factory correction to take of. My .02, don't waste your money on Dinan.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

My .02, don't waste your money on Dinan.

I don't think you can find one member on this site with the Dinan tune that feels like they wasted their money.

If you want a tune that you don't have to hide from your dealer that delivers outstanding worry-free power, from a company that provides a matching warranty, go with Dinan. If you don't want to deal with potential limp modes, CELs, or ripping apart your ECU/DME to install the product, go with Dinan.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

if you want something mild but effective, BMS just brought out a package for 899 shipped with UR DP's, JBX, and BMS Intake. That's ridiculously cheap compared to Dinan and will outperform it in every aspect of driving. OR you can JUST put on Procede 2.1 and have better performance (or detune your performance) and have the potential to add and tune to any parts you ever want. It will have amazing throttle response, the assurance that Vishnu will continue to develop, improve and offer new maps for your specific application, and has built in safety that BMS depends on the car's factory correction to take of. My .02, don't waste your money on Dinan.

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I don't think you can find one member on this site with the Dinan tune that feels like they wasted their money.

If you want a tune that you don't have to hide from your dealer that delivers outstanding worry-free power, from a company that provides a matching warranty, go with Dinan. If you don't want to deal with potential limp modes, CELs, or ripping apart your ECU/DME to install the product, go with Dinan.

Couple of things.

1. The deal from BMS includes the JB2, not the JB2X.

2. If you dont want to mess around with your ECU there are only two options out there right now. Dinan, and SSTT. Which one of those tunes is better is a toss up in my mind. The 1/4 mile results from Dinan and SSTT have been similar even though the boost differs by 2psi or so....

3. Not all products cause Limps, and CELs.... Keep that in mind when choosing a piggyback (if you decide to go that route)


G/L, and no matter what choice you make have fun out there and be safe....

[bad335I]

ya Dinan is good for that reason but the price is away overbord for the gains. with the Dinan you will have 11psi with jb2 you can get upto 16psi. so if all it takes is a hour of my time to remove jb2 every few months then be it. the 16psi running 11.8 @ 114+ will make it all worth while. this is just my .02 from what i see in the video its not hard to add and remove it 30mins in labor if that. im a race junky and it doesnt bother me but it might bother others.

thanks,
Bad335I

[e90AW335i]

The JB products are very easy to install/uninstall. I can probably do one in 20 minutes now....

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

Couple of things.

1. The deal from BMS includes the JB2, not the JB2X.

2. If you dont want to mess around with your ECU there are only two options out there right now. Dinan, and SSTT. Which one of those tunes is better is a toss up in my mind. The 1/4 mile results from Dinan and SSTT have been similar even though the boost differs by 2psi or so....

3. Not all products cause Limps, and CELs.... Keep that in mind when choosing a piggyback (if you decide to go that route)


G/L, and no matter what choice you make have fun out there and be safe....

Regarding number 2. There is only one 1/4 mile time out there for Dinan right now, so not the biggest sample size yet. Might want to hold off on definitive comparisons.

Regarding number 3. True. I have still not yet heard any problems with any of the JB products, and from what I hear it sounds like Terry offers great customer service. Don't think I have heard about any problems with the SSTT either.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Regarding number 2. There is only one 1/4 mile time out there for Dinan right now, so not the biggest sample size yet. Might want to hold off on definitive comparisons.

Regarding number 3. True. I have still not yet heard any problems with any of the JB products, and from what I hear it sounds like Terry offers great customer service. Don't think I have heard about any problems with the SSTT either.

Agreed.

[stimpy]

How restricted to using Dinan parts are you after getting the Dinan Tune?

Pretty sure a warranty couldn't be voided by an Exhaust or Intake - would you have to go through Dinan for those?

I'm still in decision mode on what exactly I want to do on the car. One thing is for sure though - I want to keep my warranty, atleast for a while.

[e90AW335i]

Originally Posted by stimpy

How restricted to using Dinan parts are you after getting the Dinan Tune?

Pretty sure a warranty couldn't be voided by an Exhaust or Intake - would you have to go through Dinan for those?

I'm still in decision mode on what exactly I want to do on the car. One thing is for sure though - I want to keep my warranty, atleast for a while.

If you get the Dinan tune and want the warranty to be intact you HAVE to use dinan parts for everything else. Unless, of course, you take them off before going to the dealership.....

[ChaneRZ]

+1. if you got the dinan software, well pretty much you have to buy dinan products. they will void your warranty if you installed third party items.

[Orb]

Originally Posted by e90AW335i

If you get the Dinan tune and want the warranty to be intact you HAVE to use dinan parts for everything else. Unless, of course, you take them off before going to the dealership.....

Originally Posted by ChaneRZ

+1. if you got the dinan software, well pretty much you have to buy dinan products. they will void your warranty if you installed third party items.

You pretty well just made this up from the constant hear say around this place. It is simply not the case at all. I personally have no intention of using everything Dinan, and guess what; it does affect my warranty for either BMW or Dinan.

Kill the folk lore stories.

Orb

[Lane]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

... OR you can JUST put on Procede 2.1....

That is not an option as far as I know.
Or if you have that map, please PM it to me...

There is another thread for that discussion though. Let's keep this one on topic.

[pseto]

Please note that the Dinan engine tune has a warranty on it just like the Dinan exhaust, Dinan suspension, etc. If you have the Dinan engine tune, and get v2 coilovers, then your Dinan engine tune REMAINS intact regardless of what exhaust/suspension you choose.

Dinan will not void your warranty for not buying their products, let's get real.

[2e9x's]

Quoted from the Dinan Web Site (http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/warranty ):

" The Dinan Limited Warranty Specifically Excludes:

•return shipping charges, •towing charges, •rental car fees •damage to a component or assembly due to the installation of replacement parts with specifications that differ in any material respect from the original vehicle manufacturer’s or Dinan parts, •damage resulting from the unauthorized modification of a Dinan part or assembly, •damage resulting from the use of other manufacturer’s products in conjunction with Dinan products or systems, •damage to the clutch due to power shifting or abuse, •brake rotor warp, •friction materials, •maintenance services and parts when replaced during maintenance such as spark plugs, lubricants, fluids, engine tune-up parts, replacement of filters, coolant and refrigerant, •mechanical adjustments or repairs which result from normal wear and tear, •drive-belts, •light bulbs, •damage due to the failure to perform maintenance services at the specified intervals or in accordance with the instructions in the owner’s manual from the original vehicle manufacturer or Dinan’s product instructions, •damage attributable to negligence, improper installation, improper treatment or treatment contrary to the instructions in the owner’s manual from the original vehicle manufacturer or Dinan’s product instructions, •engine damage resulting from altered boost pressure, •damage resulting from the use of improper or contaminated fuel, •damage occurring through corrosion resulting from weak or improper coolant, •damage to a Dinan component as a result of a collision or improper collision damage repairs, •any vehicle operated in any competitive event, •custom-designed competition parts, •damages resulting from loss of time, inconvenience or loss of the use of the vehicle, •damage resulting from environmental influences, flood, accident, fire damage, or road salt corrosion, •re-manufactured or refurbished products or components (these products are clearly identified as re-furbished and are warranted for the period specified for that particular product).

General:

The installation of Dinan Performance Products and systems may affect the vehicle manufacturer’s new car limited warranty. The vehicle manufacturer’s new car limited warranty may not apply to modifications to a vehicle or the installation of any performance accessories or components attached to the vehicle which substantially alter the original engineering and/or operating specifications or which result in damage to other original vehicle manufacturer’s components."
[Emphasis added]

Read the information available...Dinan products MAY affect your warranty. Installing non-Dinan products MAY also affect your Dinan warranty. In my mind, the value of the Dinan tune (besides the great engineering behind it) is that the company offers a warranty that matches the new car warranty. Dinan clearly states that installing other companies' stuff my impact your warranty coverage through Dinan. Thus you might be out of both BMW and Dinan warranties if you do use other parts.

If you commit to the Dinan path then commit to it 100%. That is your safest bet from a warranty perspective. But please read the information available and make an informed decision based on facts, not on what you read here.

[SPDFAN]

It's not much offered by Dinan anyway. I doubt using a primary catback with Dinan software will void warranty if anything goes wrong in the motor, on the other hand, if you use a turboback exhaust, catless or catted, with Dinan software, I can see why Dinan would void your warranty.

[CubanJJ09]

i have the dinan tune and am getting an rennart catback exhaust. ive tried to called dinan about 4 or 5 times regarding this issue(tune with exhaust) but no one seems to pick up the fuckin phone. but when i called a local dinan rep. he said "if your engine blows up theyre going to look for a way out" now what i take from that is that im goin to bend over and take whatever happens if i install the exhaust. but im wondering if the dinan warranty is like the bmw one(the aftermarket or third party part has to be traced back to the failure for them to void.) im gonna keep calling and see what they say and repost when i get an answer or lack there of.

[CubanJJ09]

just got off the phone with dinan warranty guy and they said that having another companys exhaust will not void their 335i software warranty. i asked him twice to be 100% sure. "if i have the software and i have another exhaust other than dinan will it void the warranty you guys provide?" he said no, of course their products are made for each other but having another companys wont void it. but i still cant help but think if i have a heavily modified car and something happens to the engine that they might trying looking for a way out. in any case im gonna call back in a couple weeks and ask another guy to make sure.

[jaaz]

Originally Posted by 2e9x's

Quoted from the Dinan Web Site (http://www.dinancars.com/bmw/warranty ):

...

General:

The installation of Dinan Performance Products and systems may affect the vehicle manufacturer’s new car limited warranty. The vehicle manufacturer’s new car limited warranty may not apply to modifications to a vehicle or the installation of any performance accessories or components attached to the vehicle which substantially alter the original engineering and/or operating specifications or which result in damage to other original vehicle manufacturer’s components."
[Emphasis added]

I think this bears repeating in plain English, since I often see a lot of confusion around here on this topic.

In essence, the consumer is being put on notice that if they install Dinan products on their car and those products damage other parts in the car, the damage may not be covered under BMW's new car warranty. In that case, Dinan's 4-year warranty should step in to fix the damage.

That's a good thing, but the consumer should understand that in those circumstances he or she is essentially trading BMW's new car warranty for Dinan's 4-year warranty. Dinan's 4-year warranty is good, but let's be clear, it's not your original BMW new car warranty. Obviously, a warranty is only good as the company that stands behind it. Dinan has been around for a long time and I understand has a good reputation in this field, but like any other company Dinan could one day falter and go bankrupt (it's happened to the best of them), putting your Dinan warranty at risk. I think it's clear that the chances of that happening while probably slim, are greater than BMW going bankrupt.

THAT being said, you are clearly safer going with Dinan than with an after-market product where if it damages your car, and BMW finds out, you are likely to have no warranty to turn to at all.

[BMW///Motorsport]

I am sure Dinan will be against outside tuning components as it is in their legal disclaimer about the warranty. I read it for the exact reason you stated above, about a month ago and was no surprised that they would state something like this. With all the new Stage 2 parts they are going to be offering WITH the warranty intact, it sounds like a lot of reliable power/fun to me.

Don't waste your money on Dinan blah blah blah, why dont your hear "do not waste any money on Vishnu products"??? That seems like a waste to me, not Dinan...