[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

IF you read deeply on the Bugatti, you will realise most of the power came from the aerodynamics of the body. At higher speeds, the body will tilt itself at a certain angle to give more power to battle the resistance of air.

Doesn't make any sense. Put the bugatti on the dyno and rip all it's aero parts off and it'll still dyno the same dude! You may get more speed or get up to speed faster with aerodynamics of the body...

[garyhgaryh]

Originally Posted by 5sokol335icoupe

here is a video i found,

go to minute 5 where they start to talk about the boost and turbos. the man driving talks about 4 VERY small turbos and them being mitsubishi, sounds like the tech i talked to was right.

"bugatti came from the moon to build this ..."

[Crimson92]

cool. now i just need two more turbos...and 10 more cylinders

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by Crimson92

cool. now i just need two more turbos...and 10 more cylinders

Nah, built bottom end and twin GT35r's and you are good to go.

[AndreyATC]

This is simple math guys
First, IDK wheither its 335's turbos or not, but here is why i think it's possible to get 1000HP out of W16 with n54's small turbos

335i:
3.0L TT = about 315HP
So far, it's proven that simple tune and stock everything else = 380 +/- 20 HP crank
So 335i makes about 125HP/liter

Veyron: 8L * 125 = 1000
If Veyron setup slightly better (tune, breathing, cooling, etc) it should do even more on these tiny turbos
Keep in mind, it's 8.0L!!!
Without turbos it should easily do 800HP, but it has 4 of them!

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

This is simple math guys
First, IDK wheither its 335's turbos or not, but here is why i think it's possible to get 1000HP out of W16 with n54's small turbos

335i:
3.0L TT = about 315HP
So far, it's proven that simple tune and stock everything else = 380 +/- 20 HP crank
So 335i makes about 125HP/liter

Veyron: 8L * 125 = 1000
If Veyron setup slightly better (tune, breathing, cooling, etc) it should do even more on these tiny turbos
Keep in mind, it's 8.0L!!!
Without turbos it should easily do 800HP, but it has 4 of them!

You are funny.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

You are funny.

I'm glad it was entertaining for you

[CanadianTSi]

People are missing the whole point. The Turbo's themselves still have to actually flow 1000hp worth of Air.

Now the 335i Turbo's are making around 420whp maxed out (does you car hold boost up top...) Ok so x2 and you are roughly the at the power level that the Veyron makes Stock, but do you think the engineers would design the car to run the Turbo's maxed out from the factory...

[jjlawyer]

Exactly. If your just looking at displacement, and hp per liter, your saying that the bugatti could make 1000hp with just one of our turbos. It's still 8L, right? There is no way to get that much air through 1 small turbo. Not likely through 4 either.

[Tiago@VRSF]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

IF you read deeply on the Bugatti, you will realise most of the power came from the aerodynamics of the body. At higher speeds, the body will tilt itself at a certain angle to give more power to battle the resistance of air.

Aerodynamics don't mean a thing on a dyno

[Tiago@VRSF]

All arguments aside, that picture looks like Mitsubishi's 13g's to me which are adorably small.

People are kind of forgetting the fact htat there are already 700 - 800 HP V10's and W16's out there so by adding a few turbos it wouldn't be a problem getting them up in the 1000HP range, whether the turbos are big or small.

[DCMETRO22Z]

Originally Posted by CanadianTSi

I don't see how even 4 of those tiny turbo's can flow enough air for 1000hp.

don't forget those turbo are feeding a 16 cylinders beast.LOOk what they can do with procede on a "modest " six in line

[anerbe]

Originally Posted by Revlis

WTF? Umm.... No at higher speeds the aero package does indeed change but it in fact creates more drag... Body shape and Aerodynamics NEVER produces more power. Might increase or decrease drag which will change top speed some but the Bugatti is not that aerodynamic, and it reaches it's holy shit top speed via brute force...

agreed overall, but not sure if the adaptive aero of the car creates more drag at higher speed. it does lower when you set it to max speed, which reduces frontal area and drag coef.

the bugatti i feel is a good aerodynamic car that balances with it's power. if you didn't have the air openings for the umphteen radiators, you wouldn't get the power. they also knew to do it right to have a seperate aero setting for top speed , as it's stability / turning capabilities definitely degrade going that fast.

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by anerbe

agreed overall, but not sure if the adaptive aero of the car creates more drag at higher speed. it does lower when you set it to max speed, which reduces frontal area and drag coef.

the bugatti i feel is a good aerodynamic car that balances with it's power. if you didn't have the air openings for the umphteen radiators, you wouldn't get the power. they also knew to do it right to have a seperate aero setting for top speed , as it's stability / turning capabilities definitely degrade going that fast.

I believe there are 14 radiators.

[jjlawyer]

Originally Posted by Railgun

Why? You don't know what kind of wheels are in those. How much boost do they make? How is the engine tuned in NA form? For all we know, the motor itself could be 200 HP shy from that 1k mark. Then it becomes much more realistic. Four of those obviously work in the function for they were designed. The theory that they are the same as ours may or may not hold any weight. It's the old saying of it's not what you've got, but what you do with it.

Well if there are different wheels in those turbos, then they are not "our turbos" unless you consider a turbo to just be a housing.

If that 8L motor is tuned to make 800hp, slapping on 4 small turbos is like putting restrictor plates on - both on the exhaust and intake. I am not saying our turbos are that small, but based upon all the dynos out there, it's pretty close.

And it's not just a question of increasing boost, turbos can only make boost if they can flow enough air to compress the intake charge. Remember, those 12 cylinders are sucking like 8 liters of air every revolution (or every other in 4 stroke motors I think).

[ES BMW]

Are you sure they're not KKK units? It's the preferred manufacturer for the VW/Audi group.

[raceyBMW]

Bugatti has actually used IHI turbos before, check this out
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/bugatti...-ss-ar366.html

[getInline]

As much as I would like to think we share the same turbos, nope, here is the veyron engine and turbos....