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      12-05-2017, 05:46 PM   #1
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Basic 6 speaker to Logic 7 upgrade

I have a 2010 E92 335i that came with a factory 6 speaker professional radio (very basic). Now I got a deal for a Logic 7 system (includes 13 speaker, amp and headunit), will this be a direct fit? Will there be mounting holes already for the Logic 7 system speakers or would I need to drill new ones? Besides coding the vo, will this work?
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      12-05-2017, 05:59 PM   #2
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1. you will need to get the E92 sail panels from a L7 car so you have a place to mount the front tweeters.
2. You will need dash center bezel from a L7 car to mount the center channel speaker.
3. You will need the rear side panels from a L7 car to mount the side speakers.
4. You will need to run speaker wire from the amp to the center channel location
5. You will need to run speaker wires from the amp to the side speakers
6. You will need to run speaker wires from the amp to the under seat woofers or into the doors as the Base system uses a single channel of amplification to feed the under seat woofer and the door speaker, whereas the HiFi and L7 cars use separate amp channels for each of these.
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      12-05-2017, 09:55 PM   #3
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Don't know why you would want to do this you can do much
better upgrading the Hi Fi system or even base system with
aftermarket speakers and amps if its sound quality your after.
And it will sound better than logic 7 can.

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Logic 7 upgrades
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The above is based on 3 series systems 5 series systems may differ.
You need to find which system you are starting from the base system with no tweeters or the Hi Fi system for starters.

You would need a Logic 7 wiring harness to fit it.
One that goes all the way to the trunk and back to the speakers. (Fiber optic run to trunk for amp Input and speaker wiring running forward from the amp to all the speakers with the L7 amp connector attached.

BMW stereo types
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"1. you will need to get the E92 sail panels from a L7 car so you have a place to mount the front tweeters."

You can buy the BMW tweeter pods for the front doors pretty cheaply . I recall they are about 35 bucks a side. The part numbers are in the base system upgrade document.

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      12-06-2017, 01:48 AM   #4
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if you get full logic7 wiring from amp the retrofit will be much easier
and be sure that for e92 kit should be from e92 or e93 or 91, not e90
holes can be cut without problem in rear side trims and rear shelf using dremel
also underseat speakers from logic7 should be with enclosures because they differ from base
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      12-06-2017, 07:04 AM   #6
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I just done mine on my e93. Wasn’t too difficult with original wiring loom for amp.
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I just done mine on my e93. Wasn’t too difficult with original wiring loom for amp.
Sorry for resurrect such an old tread. I just retrofit mine from basic to l7 with CIC from factory. Sound is ok but chine/gong/Bluetooth and navigation voice are so soft even though I put them all on max from menu. Did yours sound ok? Any similar issues? Thanks
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Hi, my car only has the base audio. I don't want to spend a ton of money and have seen decent deals on pre-owned logic 7 speakers which I'm considering. So the main question I have is:

My car doesn't have an amplifier so would simply swapping out all the speakers and adding the front and back tweeters make a worthwhile difference?

Thanks.
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No it wouldn't . Try doing a search for base system or stereo system this
subject has been covered a lot.
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No it wouldn't . Try doing a search for base system or stereo system this
subject has been covered a lot.
Not even a little bit?? I was hoping the L7 subwoofers and additional tweeters might do a little something...that's a bit disappointing. I guess it's the amp that'll take the sound to the next level.
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It might actually sound worse. The L7 speakers are relatively easy to drive, but they are designed for an amp. The base "stereo" (EU) system doesn't have an amp, and may not have enough power to drive all those speakers effectively, not forgetting about the heavily boosted EQ that the base stereo HU applies. Also, unless you add a filter or crossover you will be sending a full range signal to the new tweeters....bye bye tweeters.

The "HiFi" level system does have an amp, but the speakers are fairly reasonable.

I'm speculating that the improvement in SQ associated with the L7/HK ("top") system comes more from the L7 amp applying some signal processing, and the fact that it is fed a digital signal via the most bus, than it does from the physical hardware.

Now, HK speakers with a decent DSP/amp would be something to look forward too. A chap here in the UK recently had a high level install done by PSSound (Brax, accutton, helix, etc) in an M5. There must have been £5k of hardware, and probably another 5k to 10k of install cost (is on YouTube).............They kept the OEM HK underseat subs.

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