[baron95]

It’s totally brain dead to link the instrument cluster display to the safety systems.

The display should be independently customizable by the user.

BMW engineers, have no clue about managing software/user defined features. They make nonsensical linkages and limitations.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by baron95

It’s totally brain dead to link the instrument cluster display to the safety systems.

The display should be independently customizable by the user.

BMW engineers, have no clue about managing software/user defined features. They make nonsensical linkages and limitations.

The safety features aren’t necessarily linked to the display modes, it depends on the market. In the EU there are default safety system and information displays that have to be shown by all manufacturers, especially since July 2022 when legislation was introduced to bolster standard safety system requirements.

In North America many of the safety systems can be enabled and disabled independently and can be off in all display modes. In the EU certain systems can’t be switched off at all, or if they can, have to default to “on” for every engine start.

The car and consequently the core display system is provided as a worldwide offering, so there are some limitations based on the needs of a superset of all market legislation and mandatory requirements.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by aerobod

The safety features aren’t necessarily linked to the display modes, it depends on the market. In the EU there are default safety system and information displays that have to be shown by all manufacturers, especially since July 2022 when legislation was introduced to bolster standard safety system requirements.

In North America many of the safety systems can be enabled and disabled independently and can be off in all display modes. In the EU certain systems can’t be switched off at all, or if they can, have to default to “on” for every engine start.

The car and consequently the core display system is provided as a worldwide offering, so there are some limitations based on the needs of a superset of all market legislation and mandatory requirements.

The big problem, and I assume reason for his post/complaint, is that these so-called safety systems are linked to the displays. So you can’t turn them on in certain modes (track and sport).

So if you like the sport display, and want to engage cruise control, you are SOL. Which is a shame.

Plus, no reason for said display to not be linked to a preset. They didn’t need to be married to safety systems. Sometimes all we want is the single tachometer bar and the tachometer in the HUD, that’s all…

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

The big problem, and I assume reason for his post/complaint, is that these so-called safety systems are linked to the displays. So you can’t turn them on in certain modes (track and sport).

So if you like the sport display, and want to engage cruise control, you are SOL. Which is a shame.

Plus, no reason for said display to not be linked to a preset. They didn’t need to be married to safety systems. Sometimes all we want is the single tachometer bar and the tachometer in the HUD, that’s all…

I think the linking is deliberate by design and to meet certain EU requirements too. The linking is no different than what we have in our Macan, too, where certain information display is only available when not in Sport+ mode.

There are quite a few safety system displays (speed limit sign detection, lane departure, dynamic cruise state, etc) that are mandatory in the EU now and require certain real estate on the display, the reduced displays in Sport and Track mode with more prominent car performance info remove the area for these displays.

The type of display is also a visual reminder of which mode you are in, hence it is less likely to mistake which safety systems are switched off. From an Ergonomics perspective I can see their rationale of linking the displays to the safety modes, especially where there is a conflict, for example DSC reduced or off (Track Mode) is not compatible with cruise comtrol (not Track Mode), as the car could skid out of control on ice when on cruise without DSC.

The EU issue with safety systems always defaulting to a known “on” state at start may also determine what can be stored in configured modes, as they seem to want any warning/safety system to be explicitly turned off by the driver. This may be why they don’t allow storing both the display and related safety system configs in the M1 & M2 buttons (although allowing remembering the last state for the safety systems for some markets).

The inability to store the Track Mode display in M1 or M2 with the associated lack of display of the driver assistance systems and default to “off” at start is also very deliberate, with the “Confirm” message needing to be acknowledged each time.

Overall it seems they don’t want drivers to be confused over what mode they are in by deliberately making the displays different.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

First, should we really consider a car weighing nearly two tons to be a “sports car?” No.

Do you still believe that the G87 should not be considered a "sports car"?

I didn't weigh into this particular thread last November, but after driving my new G87 for a month, I'm finding it amazingly sporty. Nimble, quick, powerful, glued to the road. And an awful lot of fun.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by baron95

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond.

BMW certainly does not to a good job explaining these systems.

I have seen videos from BMW product genius with absolutely wrong info. The genius with the most views, for instance, claims that traction/stability control is turned off if you select M Mode Track.

Can’t wait for my car to arrive.

In iDrive 7 in my G82 Sport mode turns off the collision assistance but you can turn it back on. In TRACK mode, you cannot turn it back on at all.

[NoMoreVW]

What are the chances BMW would release an analog look for the cluster if enough of us wanted it?

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by NoMoreVW

What are the chances BMW would release an analog look for the cluster if enough of us wanted it?

Why bother. They will probably marry it to Bluetooth disabled or something as a cool "old-school mode".