Thinking about an intake dyno comparison test

SDemetris · 01-23-2014, 10:47 PM

sweet man!

Johnny D · 01-23-2014, 10:58 PM

In the long run was this comparison worth it?

Either way, thanks for being willing to take it on.

Mike. · 01-23-2014, 11:07 PM

charcoal delete it is.

Thanks for the results!

AlpineSwift · 01-23-2014, 11:33 PM

Doesn't surprise me at all how this whole thing turned out. Ultimately what I take from this is sealed = better hp while open = better torque. I'm glad I don't have the open style AFE anymore, not worth it with that spread in power vs mbox.

andrey_gta · 01-24-2014, 06:48 AM

Thank you for your efforts. I do not think that MAF stopped you from showing the giains of Ingen, its previous dynos did show TQ gains dominant.

Also a 3 stage IM for you is a worthy update worth about 15hp and 15 tq. Your current dyno's final numbers may indicate to be on the same level as full bolt, but I attribute these differences to the dyno, unless you have a better idea ie cars age etc

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We4nolans · 01-24-2014, 09:44 AM

Thanks for the comparison and data. I'm new to the BMW family and want to squeeze a little more out of my 328. Intake and exhaust are the first two areas I was going to hit followed by the intake manifold and a tune.

I wanted to confirm the the Mbox is the charcoal filter delete? I was surprised to see such close results with all three. Any options regarding gains from the Euro air box?

Matt

andrey_gta · 01-24-2014, 11:22 AM

Dinan kit can be copied with some DIY. It is all in the euroMod thread by dj alex

Euro airbox is different from AFE magnum closed as follows:
- missing two openings in the front. This is alot like the Euro Performance intake- which adds about 17-20% in air openings with the new snorkel from the kidneys.
- pipe from airbox to throttle body has no muffler, therefore afe is louder and potentially with slightly better airflow.
- smooth insides & lid. Euro box has waffle design inside.

Eurobox & US Airbox can be modified as follows
- silicone smooth pipe from box to throttle body. Adds some drone/noise
- charcoal delete for USA airbox
- cutting holes into box, and routing from colder feeds like Dinan or Mr 5 intake

benzo23 · 01-24-2014, 11:36 AM

Would of loved to see the results of a euro box with the pipercross foam filter.

scotty_miller · 01-24-2014, 11:39 AM

Has any one ever deleted the piece on the bottom of the tubing of number 10 in the diagram? Or is this the muffler everyone is talking about..I have a feeling it is haha I kind of want to try it. Drone won't really bug me. Or should I get intake piping and mod it that way.

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/r/j/223.png

Taskmaster · 01-24-2014, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty_miller

Has any one ever deleted the piece on the bottom of the tubing of number 10 in the diagram? Or is this the muffler everyone is talking about..I have a feeling it is haha I kind of want to try it. Drone won't really bug me. Or should I get intake piping and mod it that way.

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/r/j/223.png

I have that deleted, but I don't think it's worth much.

Taskmaster · 01-24-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Dinan kit can be copied with some DIY. It is all in the euroMod thread by dj alex

Euro airbox is different from AFE magnum closed as follows:
- missing two openings in the front. This is alot like the Euro Performance intake- which adds about 17-20% in air openings with the new snorkel from the kidneys.
- pipe from airbox to throttle body has no muffler, therefore afe is louder and potentially with slightly better airflow.
- smooth insides & lid. Euro box has waffle design inside.

Eurobox & US Airbox can be modified as follows
- silicone smooth pipe from box to throttle body. Adds some drone/noise
- charcoal delete for USA airbox
- cutting holes into box, and routing from colder feeds like Dinan or Mr 5 intake

^ all of those are good ideas.

Dylanize · 01-24-2014, 11:57 AM

Can't say I'm surprised by the results, But props Axiom for getting out there and putting this together for the N/A community! This will certainly help new folks and existing members on intake solutions for our cars! Good job man!

Sticky this mods!!!

Taskmaster · 01-24-2014, 12:16 PM

My Injen will be for sale soon, I'm going a different route.

GTKrockeTT · 01-24-2014, 12:19 PM

good stuff Axiom. while there are always variations on dyno pulls, even when everything is exactly the same, at least it's conclusive that intakes do offer gains on the N52.

elthamer · 02-08-2014, 04:06 PM

Thanks! However all 3 graphs have different results. Which one is which?

Taskmaster · 02-08-2014, 04:51 PM

Run 2 Blue is the Highest 'Base' Run.
Run 1 Red is Injen
Run 2 Green is Injen
Run 3 Dark Blue is Injen

Even when heatsoaked, the lowest Injen run torque was higher.

elthamer · 02-08-2014, 05:05 PM

Got it, thanks for posting the results.

Raimund · 04-18-2022, 04:33 PM

Did anyone save the results before the got deleted?

gregfisher87 · 04-18-2022, 06:53 PM

I'm also interested in this being reposted if anyone has it...

AmuroRay · 08-31-2024, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raimund

Did anyone save the results before the got deleted?

It's on my photobucket,, let me see if I have it still.

AmuroRay · 09-08-2024, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Taskmaster

Talked to Johnny D, should be getting the SI intake this week, and I talked to the shop to get some dyno time in. I hope I can do it all in about an hour or so, but if anyone wants to pitch in for dyno time - you can paypal me

mr_ice15@yahoo.com dyno time is going to be $85/hr.

It will be baseline - stock intake with OE tune

Stock intake box with carbon filter removed dryflow filter and OE tune

Injen Intake

AFE Intake box

Hoping for Thurday-Saturday to get this done, comments are always welcome.

It took some time, but I found them.
Red is the Injen
Blue is the AFE
Green is the stock airbox with a drop in filter, and carbon delete. I think it had the hose as well.

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AlpineSwift Colonel 78 Rep 2,114 Posts Drives: 2008 335Xi Coupé Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Castle Rock, CO iTrader: (3)	Doesn't surprise me at all how this whole thing turned out. Ultimately what I take from this is sealed = better hp while open = better torque. I'm glad I don't have the open style AFE anymore, not worth it with that spread in power vs mbox. __________________ E92 '08 335Xi 6AT - Cobb AP3 Tuned by MAC Autosport, Original Prototype Xi DOCRace 6266 Single Turbo Swap, VRSF CP w/Synapse BOV, VRSF 7" FMIC, BMS Cowl, H&R Coilovers, Renn Motorsport RS-51's, Stoptech Stage 2 Slotted, xHP Stage 3, Earl's Racing Oil Cooler, Turner Boost Gauge, M3 Lip Spoiler. Standing Mile Record Holder for Xi over a mile high: 168.2MPH @ 5512'; The Colorado Mile hosted by The US Mile.
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andrey_gta Brigadier General 318 Rep 4,040 Posts Drives: 130i coupé ;) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Bimmerpost iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 128i [10.00]	Thank you for your efforts. I do not think that MAF stopped you from showing the giains of Ingen, its previous dynos did show TQ gains dominant. Also a 3 stage IM for you is a worthy update worth about 15hp and 15 tq. Your current dyno's final numbers may indicate to be on the same level as full bolt, but I attribute these differences to the dyno, unless you have a better idea ie cars age etc . __________________ 128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is Last edited by andrey_gta; 01-24-2014 at 07:29 AM..
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01-24-2014, 09:44 AM	#138
We4nolans Registered 0 Rep 3 Posts Drives: 2011 328i xdrive Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Oregon iTrader: (1)	Thanks for the comparison and data. I'm new to the BMW family and want to squeeze a little more out of my 328. Intake and exhaust are the first two areas I was going to hit followed by the intake manifold and a tune. I wanted to confirm the the Mbox is the charcoal filter delete? I was surprised to see such close results with all three. Any options regarding gains from the Euro air box? Matt
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andrey_gta Brigadier General 318 Rep 4,040 Posts Drives: 130i coupé ;) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Bimmerpost iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 128i [10.00]	Dinan kit can be copied with some DIY. It is all in the euroMod thread by dj alex Euro airbox is different from AFE magnum closed as follows: - missing two openings in the front. This is alot like the Euro Performance intake- which adds about 17-20% in air openings with the new snorkel from the kidneys. - pipe from airbox to throttle body has no muffler, therefore afe is louder and potentially with slightly better airflow. - smooth insides & lid. Euro box has waffle design inside. Eurobox & US Airbox can be modified as follows - silicone smooth pipe from box to throttle body. Adds some drone/noise - charcoal delete for USA airbox - cutting holes into box, and routing from colder feeds like Dinan or Mr 5 intake __________________ 128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is Last edited by andrey_gta; 01-24-2014 at 11:28 AM..
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benzo23 Colonel 74 Rep 2,848 Posts Drives: 14 F30 AW MSport Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: FL iTrader: (1)	Would of loved to see the results of a euro box with the pipercross foam filter.
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scotty_miller Captain 187 Rep 940 Posts Drives: 2003.5 E46 M3 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA iTrader: (13)	Has any one ever deleted the piece on the bottom of the tubing of number 10 in the diagram? Or is this the muffler everyone is talking about..I have a feeling it is haha I kind of want to try it. Drone won't really bug me. Or should I get intake piping and mod it that way. http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/r/j/223.png
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01-24-2014, 12:16 PM	#145
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GTKrockeTT Second Lieutenant 23 Rep 198 Posts Drives: Join Date: Sep 2007 iTrader: (1)	good stuff Axiom. while there are always variations on dyno pulls, even when everything is exactly the same, at least it's conclusive that intakes do offer gains on the N52.
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02-08-2014, 04:06 PM	#147
elthamer Private First Class 12 Rep 161 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 328xi Coupe Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Anaheim, CA iTrader: (1)	Thanks! However all 3 graphs have different results. Which one is which?
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Taskmaster Banned 2474 Rep 9,004 Posts Drives: M235i 6MT / E92 328 Msport 6MT Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (6)	Run 2 Blue is the Highest 'Base' Run. Run 1 Red is Injen Run 2 Green is Injen Run 3 Dark Blue is Injen Even when heatsoaked, the lowest Injen run torque was higher.
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02-08-2014, 05:05 PM	#149
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04-18-2022, 06:53 PM	#151
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