[pikkagtr]

MT A90 Supra
DAW Hypercore , catted DP, e50 tune , Recaros and LiPO battery
3270 lbs on corner balance scales 1/4 tank
Easily in the 10s 125+
58k MSRP
Just saying

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

MT A90 Supra
DAW Hypercore , catted DP, e50 tune , Recaros and LiPO battery
3270 lbs on corner balance scales 1/4 tank
Easily in the 10s 125+
58k MSRP
Just saying

Yes, cause it is all about quarter mile time and speed.
Anyway, I did not believe (all) the hype either, then I got me one. And C2S is a fairly basic car...
Not going to do any of those times and 0-60 is was e90 did in 2006, but did not get it for any of that.

Therefore, Carrera T is also not about 0-60 or 1/4 mile numbers (although can also be tuned to come close to your numbers above....at 2x the price)

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Mavus

I checked out multiple 911s and just drove my neghbrs 718 4cyl. They use plastic everywhere and blanks for switchgear just like other mass manufacturers. I did not see that far superior interior at a much higher price. Maybe it’s superior to G8x now that they have ipads with bracket. We are talking about $150k base+ 911 but anyhow gl with your plans and hope you enjoy it!

You can option it to have a nicer interior. The G8X has by far the highest quality 3 series interior (in terms of quality of materials and fit and finish) that BMW has ever produced. But a properly specced 911 still exceeds the interior of the g8x.

Even in the T... you can option it with leather surfaces everywhere which is what I did at $165k.

Anyway, I don't see that and the G80 as competitors (and certainly not an F80). They're fundamentally very different cars. One's a car with sporty capabilities and one's a dedicated sports car with the engine in the back. I see the 911 as a progression more so than a competitor. The desire to tune isn't so that I have the fastest 911 - it's to simply bridge the gap in power coming from a G8X.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Pauly Wauly

That doesn't mean you won't be able to buy a base Carrera/S/GTS with a manual transmission in the future. Porsche never came out and said that the manual transmission is dead for the 911.

This is not the first time Porsche has done this. I don`t know if you remember, but when the 911 992 generation came out it wasn’t available with a manual transmission for over a year, and then they brought it back.

That's good to know. I haven't followed porsche history as closely in the past so wasn't aware.. but I'll hold out hope that they bring the manual to other variants in the future! While I appreciate the lightness of the T... one of the big knocks on it for me is the lack of interior trims/colors.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Have you seen this?

I've owned 3 Porsche cars the last one a 2003 996 Turbo w/6-speed. Awesome cars though pricey. Expensive to buy (and maintain) and that is even more so now. (The Turbo I bought 6 years old with <10K miles for $57.7K. New the car stickered for $119K.)

If you do buy the car I would *not* tune it, at least not while the warranty was in effect. My Turbo with <10K miles had several problems while covered by the 2 year/100K mile CPO warranty that came with the car. (Shifter broke. Transmission leaked and was replaced. Radiator fan motor shaft snapped and took out a radiator. Clutch power assist system went bad. Fortunately all covered by warranty. Unfortunately the problems kept coming after the warranty expired. But my bad experience with the Turbo and its problems was the exception.)

Still the Turbo was an awesome car. Good performance. Good road car. And I commuted to work/back (60 miles a day) in it several days a week.

In spite of my experience with the Turbo at one point I looked to buy another Porsche. A Carrera S in I think the color was Miami Blue (?). Don't remember the model year but it was the 1st year the 911 was available with rear wheel steering, which this car had.

The car was leased by the dealer's parts department manager. He returned the car after just 5K miles. (No problems with the car he decided to drive some Audi for a while.) Anyhow, he talked to me about specing the car and I was thinking at the time when this car came off of lease I'd buy it. But the car was snapped up almost the minute it hit the floor and the buyer paid several tens of thousands of dollars more for the car than I had calculated it was worth.

Yeah tuning would be a wait and see... when i drove the 992.1 last month it definitely didn't feel underpowered (being only 3,300 lbs helped a lot i guess).

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

MT A90 Supra
DAW Hypercore , catted DP, e50 tune , Recaros and LiPO battery
3270 lbs on corner balance scales 1/4 tank
Easily in the 10s 125+
58k MSRP
Just saying

I don't care to be in the 10s... I want a the engine to be behind me, with rear seats for the kids, and a nice interior.

[BlkGS]

Carrera T should have come with the 4.0 NA motor from the GTS 4.0 718s.

Prove me wrong.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Carrera T should have come with the 4.0 NA motor from the GTS 4.0 718s.

Prove me wrong.

You're not wrong.... would have been incredible.

[gatorfast]

The new T looks awesome to me. It always seems to receive some hate as some people look down on the base model and just view this as an extension thereof.

The price is outrageous but that applies to pretty much any car right now.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

The new T looks awesome to me. It always seems to receive some hate as some people look down on the base model and just view this as an extension thereof.

The price is outrageous but that applies to pretty much any car right now.

The price is a shame. While they aren't the same, it's even harder to justify when you compare a 992.2 CT to a G82.

I'd love a 992.2 Carrera T in GT Silver, but combine the base price with a few options here in Australia (Matrix LEDs, bucket seats, nicer wheels, Burmester sound and personally I like a sunroof), and all of a sudden you're at AU$385k on the road. That doesn't even include any leather!

Spec a manual G82 LCI with the carbon seats (everything else is standard here in Australia) and it's $200k driveaway. That's a bloody good, fast and fun car for a fraction over half the price.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

That's good to know. I haven't followed porsche history as closely in the past so wasn't aware.. but I'll hold out hope that they bring the manual to other variants in the future! While I appreciate the lightness of the T... one of the big knocks on it for me is the lack of interior trims/colors.

You couldn’t buy the base 992.1 with a manual, you had to get the T for that. I believe that’s the first time Porsche did that. If you’re wanting a nice GT, the base 911 does the job. You can probably build a T at about the same price point if you want to shift.

[Mavus]

The better value at least for some is 718 GTS 4.0 at $100k or around 110K with few upgrades. P has huge margin on that T

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Mavus

The better value at least for some is 718 GTS 4.0 at $100k or around 110K with few upgrades. P has huge margin on that T

For me I need back seats. And the interiors on the 718 are less than spectacular. The biggest hurdle of all for me is that if I bought a 718... the entire time I'd think I didn't go for the 911.

I've driven the 718 4.0 on track and it's superior to the 911 (at least in terms of feel)... but on the road I'd still rather have the 911.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

The biggest hurdle of all for me is that if I bought a 718... the entire time I'd think I didn't go for the 911.

This.

[BlkGS]

Unpopular opinion, but I wish they'd bring back the 944. I'm ok with them going EV on Boxster and Coxster if that give us a reasonably priced ICE 944 replacement.

[Alfisti]

Two issues with this car, the whole 'T' thing, so lightness and purity, is lost because the engine is forced induction, it REALLY needs the 430HP NA engine from the 991 GTS to complete the circle on it's ethos.

Second is the price, which is a bit nuts. I'd find the cleanest 991.1 GTS I could find, save a bucket of cash and get a proper engine.

Beautiful Carmine Red with fuck all miles or Bright Yellow with 40K miles and a the $100K mark

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-299b01a404c8/

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/0...-dd9cde0830f6/

Edit, they almost all seem to be PDK , stick is more expensive https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6...-c69289346cf7/

Maybe 165K new is not that nuts looking at the price of used sticks.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Two issues with this car, the whole 'T' thing, so lightness and purity, is lost because the engine is forced induction, it REALLY needs the 430HP NA engine from the 991 GTS to complete the circle on it's ethos.

Second is the price, which is a bit nuts. I'd find the cleanest 991.1 GTS I could find, save a bucket of cash and get a proper engine.

Beautiful Carmine Red with fuck all miles or Bright Yellow with 40K miles and a the $100K mark

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-299b01a404c8/

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/0...-dd9cde0830f6/

Edit, they almost all seem to be PDK , stick is more expensive https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6...-c69289346cf7/

Maybe 165K new is not that nuts looking at the price of used sticks.

Yeah i mean even used 992.1 T are going for MSRP. Pricing all around is nuts so no real escaping it. And $165k is very well equipped - leather surfaces everywhere, race tex roof lining, etc.

I was looking at some manual 992.1 GTS in the $175k range but they all seem to be very sparsely equipped.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

For me I need back seats. And the interiors on the 718 are less than spectacular. The biggest hurdle of all for me is that if I bought a 718... the entire time I'd think I didn't go for the 911.

I've driven the 718 4.0 on track and it's superior to the 911 (at least in terms of feel)... but on the road I'd still rather have the 911.

from my point of view I see more 911 on the road than Caymans or M3’s and are not that interesting unless I see big tail and widebody and an interesting color

[dizz81]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Two issues with this car, the whole 'T' thing, so lightness and purity, is lost because the engine is forced induction, it REALLY needs the 430HP NA engine from the 991 GTS to complete the circle on it's ethos.

Second is the price, which is a bit nuts. I'd find the cleanest 991.1 GTS I could find, save a bucket of cash and get a proper engine.

Beautiful Carmine Red with fuck all miles or Bright Yellow with 40K miles and a the $100K mark

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-299b01a404c8/

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/0...-dd9cde0830f6/

Edit, they almost all seem to be PDK , stick is more expensive https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6...-c69289346cf7/

Maybe 165K new is not that nuts looking at the price of used sticks.

I honestly wouldn't take what west coast autos has in their inventory as how the market is. All of the inventory in that place is overpriced. I live down the street from this place and have gone there to look at the cars in person. My buddy and I were the ONLY ones in the dealership (it's all a giant warehouse) and I never got approached by a single sales guy. We did two laps of that place.

[XutvJet]

The 992 T as well as the 991.2 T are a bit silly, IMO. These so called weight savings measures are so minuscule. These cars are heavy too and shedding ~70lbs ain't going to do much with a car that weighs 3250-3320lbs. I also cannot fathom the difficulty of working on one of these twin turbo flat sixes without much access to the motor without removing a ton of stuff and likely dropping the motor.

I'll take a 3050lb 3.4 liter 345hp NA flat six 991.1 Base model manual and do it up the way I want and make my own 911 T. It's still a 12 second car which is plenty fast for the street and a motor that wants you to rev it out and not be lazy with all that turbo torque. There's a good reason why all the super Porsches remain NA.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

The 992 T as well as the 991.2 T are a bit silly, IMO. These so called weight savings measures are so minuscule. These cars are heavy too and shedding ~70lbs ain't going to do much with a car that weighs 3250-3320lbs. I also cannot fathom the difficulty of working on one of these twin turbo flat sixes without much access to the motor without removing a ton of stuff and likely dropping the motor.

I'll take a 3050lb 3.4 liter 345hp NA flat six 991.1 Base model manual and do it up the way I want and make my own 911 T. It's still a 12 second car which is plenty fast for the street and a motor that wants you to rev it out and not be lazy with all that turbo torque. There's a good reason why all the super Porsches remain NA.

Something to consider for sure. I'd have to see if I'm ok with the interior of the 991 knowing the 992 is at least a few years old now. But purely from a driving perspective I have no doubt I'd be more than satisfied with a 991.

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by Mavus

from my point of view I see more 911 on the road than Caymans or M3’s and are not that interesting unless I see big tail and widebody and an interesting color

Yeah I'm not too worried about how it looks on the street. In my mind I already know that 911s don't have a ton of road presence, but I'm ok with that if it's a phenomenal car.